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Post by roenxi »

tshaddox wrote: post #397
roenxi wrote: post #387

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Words like "protest" or "riot" leap to mind. It is more comparable to something like CHAZ in 2020 which could technically be called an insurrection or rebellion, but realistically was more of an unruly protest. An insurrection would traditionally involve a little planning and a little more seriousness in the attempt. Maybe a plan that could conceivably lead to a change in government.

It was also a protest and a riot. These things are not mutually exclusive.

Obviously. All riots are technically insurrections. They're synonyms. And they are usually protests too; it'd be unusual to have a riot while agreeing with the current direction of the government.

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Post by cycomanic »

paganel wrote: post #189
rchaud wrote: post #156

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> but it might not quite be the same path that led the USSR to ruin. The end of the Soviet Union as a political and geographic entity was not its ruin. What ruined it and opened the door for a strongman ruler was: a) an inexperienced President (Yeltsin) who lacked a unifying vision for the newly formed republic and wasn't respected by its business elite or by foreign leaders b) the 'free market liberalization' reform…

By 1998 the shit had already hit the fan big time for the common people in Russia, all "thanks" to Shock Therapy (which you allude to at your point b)). That was the real tragedy, nothing a more "experienced" president could have fixed (other than doing what Putin ended up doing, which is trying to reverse some of the craziness of said Shock Therapy). I write this from direct experience, as I grew up as a kid/adolesc…

So you want to reverse the development in Romania over the last 3 decades [1] ? I agree that the way the transition from the Ceauşescu regime was handled was less than ideal to say the least. But let's not forget that rampant nationalism and isolism was what got Romania into the mess in the first ace. I would even argue that every time a government/regime is bringing out the nationalism card it is to cover up for rising inequality, decreasing quality of life and all sort of other issues. An appeal to the "nation" is just not necessary otherwise.

[1] https://www.researchgate.net/figure/fig3_330480915

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Post by goatlover »

bobxmax wrote: post #211
seanmcdirmid wrote: post #206

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That's naive and you know it. A massive drive for him was electing the first black president. A less, but still not-insignificant drive was for Hillary as the first female president.

That was not at all the main reason Obama got elected. He was charismatic, likable and promised hope and change. Why is it that the people who don't want identity politics to be a focus make it a focus?

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Post by wat10000 »

_heimdall wrote: post #388
wat10000 wrote: post #338

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They’re different orders of magnitude. Biden was elected legitimately. Parties can nominate whoever they want, so shenanigans with primaries, while distasteful, are completely legitimate. Likewise, keeping Biden’s mental state from the public is ugly but legitimate. Voters can, and did, punish these actions. Trump tried to cheat his way to keeping power. Even if you don’t blame him for the violent attempt, it’s well…

Do you not believe Trump was elected legitimately? I totally understand and share many of the concerns over the insurrection and what happened around it, but Trump didn't take office in 2020 and wasn't reelected until 2024.

He was. Where do you see me saying otherwise?

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Post by mellow-lake-day »

BirAdam wrote: post #24

So, the government would do what, lean on Russia with whom the USA is currently engaged in a proxy war? Also, for Boeing or Blue Origin, the cost would currently be higher per launch, and as far as I know, no one has the kind of satellite network that SpaceX does. Of course, those are sane considerations. I suppose I shouldn’t accuse the Donald of any kind of rational thinking.

>with whom the USA is currently engaged in a proxy war?

USA isn't currently engaged a proxy war with Russia

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Post by sega_sai »

handoflixue wrote: post #378
sega_sai wrote: post #349

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It is also interesting, that many people here somehow have no issues with trump cancelling federal contracts with Harvard, prohibiting student visas for harvard, firing entire sections of NSF, NIH, NOAA, but when it comes to contracts with spacex, they react.

There's plenty of threads about all of those issues here on Hacker News - why do you think the people reacting to SpaceX didn't also react to the rest?

Some people do react to all, but the parent comment that I commented on just mentioned the spacex situation, like it's something new, while this is just the continuation of what's be going on for months.

And I've certainly seen people on HN trying to defend grant cancellations, Harvard attacks, NSF firings etc. I obviously can't be sure what those people's opinions are on the spacex threats, but I conjecture, that many of them don't like them, while they were ok with the attacks on universities, science agencies.

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Post by goatlover »

dinkumthinkum wrote: post #326
JCattheATM wrote: post #204

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~40% of the country sees that as strength. Democracies only really work with an educated and altruistic population, and the US is only getting further away from that.

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Post by georgemcbay »

randomNumber7 wrote: post #216
anonymousDan wrote: post #140

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Well presumably you have some actual morals.

I bet you would have no moral given the opportunity.

This seems like the sort of projection where someone is inadvertently "telling on themself".

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Post by ETH_start »

pessimist wrote: post #395
ETH_start wrote: post #350

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The Democratic Governor of California denounced them publicly and stopped the effort. Despite Musk raising millions and campaigning viciously against the Democrats the administration kept all of SpaceX contracts and Tesla ev subsidies. In fact the IRA benefited Tesla disproportionately. Both sides are NOT the same. One is fascist and the other is not

The Democratic White House chose to not invite Tesla to their EV Summit. That was not political?

The Democratic DoJ and Democrat DAGs prosecuted dozens of former Trump administration officials and Trump allies, and even Trump himself:

Trump Administration Officials:

Michael Flynn – Former National Security Advisor

Stephen K. Bannon – Former White House Chief Strategist & Campaign Advisor

Mark Meadows – Former White House Chief of Staff

Jeffrey Clark – Former Acting Assistant Attorney General for the Civil Division, U.S. Department of Justice

Peter Navarro – Former White House Trade Advisor

Trump Allies:

Paul Manafort – Former Trump Campaign Chairman

George Papadopoulos – Former Trump Campaign Foreign Policy Advisor

Rick Gates – Former Trump Deputy Campaign Chairman

Roger Stone – Longtime Trump Advisor and Friend

Michael Cohen – Former Personal Attorney to Donald Trump

Elliott Broidy – Former Trump Fundraiser

Rudolph Giuliani – Attorney to Trump, Former Mayor of New York City

Waltine Nauta – Personal Aide to Trump

Carlos De Oliveira – Property Manager at Mar-a-Lago

Sidney Powell – Trump Campaign Attorney

Kenneth Chesebro – Trump Attorney

Jenna Ellis – Trump Campaign Attorney

John Eastman – Trump Attorney

Dinesh D'Souza – Conservative Commentator, Trump Supporter

Joseph M. Arpaio – Former Sheriff of Maricopa County, Arizona, Trump Supporter

Ray Smith III – Trump Attorney

Cathy Latham – Fake Elector, Coffee County GOP Leader

Robert Cheeley – Trump Attorney

David Shafer – Fake Elector, Former Georgia GOP Chair

Mike Roman – Trump Campaign Staffer

Shawn Still – Fake Elector, Then-Georgia State Senator

Scott Hall – Atlanta Bail Bondsman

Misty Hampton – Former Coffee County Elections Supervisor

Steve Lee – Pastor from Illinois

Harrison Floyd – Black Voices for Trump Leader

Trevian Kutti – Publicist from Chicago

I'm sure this was just Democrats following the law, with no bias, right?

This kind of narrative that you're forwarding now where the Republican Party are fascists and Trump is a threat to democracy is exactly the kind of mentality that was used to elicit this enormous persecution of Trump and officials near him.

Meanwhile, the real elephant in the room is always ignored:

The Democrats shovel hundreds of billions of dollars of taxpayer money to large unions in order to secure their support and win elections. This is textbook corruption.

https://politifact.com/factchecks/2022/dec/14/kevin-brady/bi...

The recipients of USAID grants? All Democrats. Same story all across DC. That's why 92.4% of DC voted for Harris. DC, meanwhile, has a per capita GDP of $250,000.

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