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Obama 2012: "There are no red states or blue states, just the United States." You may dismiss that as just words, but the modern right does not even attempt to speak in those terms.
Does the modern left?
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The social justice age wasn't a rejection of bigotry. It was a Mccarthy-esque movement of dividing everybody between sexual and racial lines into a hierarchy of who was and wasn't allowed to speak. Speaking against the party line meant exile. The SJW/Wokeism movement had nothing to do with true equity and "rejection of bigotry". That's why there was such a revolt against it.
> Speaking against the party line meant exile. But that has got worse, not better. Trump is threatening to cancel contracts with Musk and to Munich him if he funds opposition. That’s the bluntest example of ‘cancel culture’ you’ll find. Also: Musk and Trump deserve each other.
Of course, I didn't claim that the republicans aren't now doing everything they claimed to revolt against but worse. As it turns out "free speech" absolutism only applies to things that pwn the libz.
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This contract dispute has nothing to do with Presidential immunity from criminal prosecution for official acts. Cancelling SpaceX contracts for political reasons would be wrong but not criminal.
The point is we won’t find out because presidential immunity also protects against discovery. Cases that previously could have been decided on the merits won’t even make it to adjudication.
No, that's not how it works. The Trump v. United States case had no bearing on civil discovery.
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Fine, I don't disagree with anything you point out. However where we differ is that I believe identity politics is the trigger factor here, all the other changes you mention (loss of balance of power etc) are downstream of this.
Your causal diagram is backwards. Identity politics isn't the path to corruption. Corrupt politicians like Trump use identity politics to gain power to practice their corruption. Nobody who wanted to bring back Christian hegemony and re-oppress minority groups is cheering that Trump is threatening to take away contracts from Musk because "their side is winning."
Idpol can exacerbate corruption. There are strong feedback dynamics.
And to reply to the comment above yours, there are material factors upstream of idpol. It's not a coincidence that sort of thing is in renaissance across the world.
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That's naive and you know it. A massive drive for him was electing the first black president. A less, but still not-insignificant drive was for Hillary as the first female president.
Thats your opinion, Obama could have been white, and he still would have been voted for by 99.9% of those who voted for him. Young Kennedy-like candidates are rare (eg Bill Clinton and Barack Obama) but are incredibly electable when they show up. Towards the end of his presidency, most of us forgot he was even black. Just those white southerners and a certain old guy in New York who were fixated on his race from the…
So you are opposed to fixating on people's race and yet there you are singling out white southerners. The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race.
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Harris outspent Trump 3:1. Hillary outspent Trump 2:1. It's not that easy to buy an election.
That figure does not include outside supporters spending campaigns. It's disingenuous to not include dark money spending. https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/final-price-t... It's closer to 1.8 billion for Harris supporters versus 1.4 billion for Trump supporters in 2024. That also does not include various media outlets bought in the past decades, including One America News/Fox/Sinclair sandbagging for Tru…
Strong upvote. The Murdoch succession drama is one of the most important things affecting the future of US democracy. There are a lot of smaller and even more radical networks, but I don't think they have the reach and influence of Fox.
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#278Not quite relevant, but I've noticed that there's this trend on HN where if there's a non-tech-related happening that's significant and it's obviously something that people want to discuss, people will try and find a tech-related angle in order to discuss the wider issue.
Articles on HN dont need a tech angle to begin with so this doesn’t make since.
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#279If you are familiar with John Lilly ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_C._Lilly ), you may notice some similarities with Musk. Lilly used/abused ketamine and began to believe in some form of extraterrestrial oversight of earth, something like that. Musk keeps tweeting about "simulation theory", and to me sounds totally deranged. He says he thinks reality is a simulation (batshit imho), and that boring simulations a…
Are you referring to Musk saying "The most entertaining outcome is the most likely"? It's just a joke, it's a version of Occam's razor — I can't find any mention of him arguing that this is genuinely how the world works.
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Musk is a known pedophile-accusation-maker and affiliated with the Epstein child rape organization through his Kung-Fu lessons with Ghislaine Maxwell. Prior supporters will be less reactive for the first reason and more likely to perceive the situations as unfounded petty accusations for the latter (the dissonance of both Trump and Musk being connected to child rape is resolved this way).
> Musk is a known pedophile-accusation-maker Laughably so. Musk: I can save those boys trapped in the cave! We can use this stupid submarine thing of mine. Hero: No need, I and my Navy SEAL cave-diving pals have got this. Musk: How dare you! You're a pedo. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-44779998 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-50695593 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-45418245
Would you bet against accusation in this instance?
The existing recordings and convictions against Trump don’t seem to have hurt him. Why would this?