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The time bomb in the tax code that's fueling mass tech layoffs

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Re: The time bomb in the tax code that's fueling mass tech layoffs

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Real neoliberalism (with land value tax and pigouvian tax) has never been tried.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman

Then you misunderstand, the markets and economies of the past 5 decades have been two children playing Candyland. Saying it's not is a No True Scotsman fallacy, because clearly since I labeled it as Candyland economy it must be so.

Re: The time bomb in the tax code that's fueling mass tech layoffs

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This is insane, how does it make sense? Employee salary expenses are no different from other expenses to run your business. Imagine they did this for raw material instead, a restaurant could only expense 20% of the food that they sell. If they purchased $100 worth of food, but could only sell $50 worth of it, they have to pay tax on that even when making a net loss overall. It just does not make any sense. There woul…

Now imagine that a restaurant buys 100 tables, 500 chairs, kitchen equipment, cutlery for 800 people, signage, a security system, and does a remodeling before opening. (Or an airline buys an airplane. Or a hotel chain builds a hotel.) Should they be able to expense all of those items that provide value for multiple years in a single year? Does software development provide value exclusively in the year it's done? Or o…

They should have the choice.

If software lasted longer than 18 months or was otherwise tangible, this could also make sense.

Re: The time bomb in the tax code that's fueling mass tech layoffs

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What are the implications of this. As I understand accounting, this means that reported profits would be higher, and therefore incur more corporate income tax liability. Cash flow isn't effected besides tax. A startup isn't likely to be making a profit yet, under either accounting rule. Is there a benefit to reporting a larger loss? My first thought is that this effects Google and suchlike, not startups. But... assum…

I'm not an accountant, but as I understand it, you don't pay taxes on profits, but on revenue. So previously, some 20% of all revenue would be owned as corporate income tax, and startups would deduct it all as they're spending much more on R&D than they owe in corporate income tax. But with this tax change, the deduction would be much lower (80% lower IIUC).

> you don't pay taxes on profits, but on revenue.

That can't be right. It definitely isn't in my country.

If own a car dealership, and I sell a car for $50,000 that I bought from the manufacturer for $40,000, surely I would pay tax on the $10,000 profit? The tax on the the full $50,000 revenue might exceed my profit!

Re: The time bomb in the tax code that's fueling mass tech layoffs

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If your payroll ends up being about the same, after 5 years it all evens out in the sense that you will be expensing 100% of your payroll each year (but the expensing will be 20% from each of the prior 5 years). If your payroll is quickly growing You experience the problem on all payroll growth. If your payroll is decreasing, you get a tax benefit. Your outgoing cash is less, but you are getting deductions from prior…

Your not taking into account the time value of money. You always want to expense sooner.

Additionally, having to wait 4 additional years to deduct that 80% is a huge drain on capital.

Combine this with higher interest rates and the effect is essentially pouring sand into the gears of the tech industry.

Re: The time bomb in the tax code that's fueling mass tech layoffs

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The destructive power of the Section 174 change cannot be overstated. It has been reported on a lot, but its harms are generally poorly articulated. I do not like many things in BBB, but I am glad to know there is at least something in there that I can be glad for.

Lol only for it to kick back in in 2029 during the next administration. Your employment has now become a bargaining chip in the GOP's handbook.

I don't follow. Why is the GOP to blame here?

If the other party allows these cuts to expire, why wouldn't you blame that party?

Re: The time bomb in the tax code that's fueling mass tech layoffs

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Ironically the debate/discourse here is healthier than anything we see from US Congress. Presidents have a limited number of terms they can serve, but there is no limit on the House and Senate and change is hard if not next to impossible because of this. Term limits would be a good start to introducing positive changes, but good luck finding the necessary majority to vote against their power and very cushy and comfortable lifestyles.

Re: The time bomb in the tax code that's fueling mass tech layoffs

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Get better citizens.

Get better education for kids that grow to become citizens

There's another word for "educating" people until they reach the decision you want them to.

Brainwashing.

You know it's completely possible that people have a different outlook or opinion or perspective on things and that is why they disagree with you, not necessarily a lack of education?

Some people think these are good ideas and they vote or welcome them. Some people think they are bad ideas and they vote or oppose them.

Re: The time bomb in the tax code that's fueling mass tech layoffs

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> 174 is so small it can't go through both chambers on its own so it needs to get attached a larger bill like OBBA. There's a minimum size for laws?

Why would a senator from Kentucky vote for a bill that doesn't benefit his state to a meaningful amount?

It does benefit his state, they will get higher quality software.

Re: The time bomb in the tax code that's fueling mass tech layoffs

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I'm not an accountant, but as I understand it, you don't pay taxes on profits, but on revenue. So previously, some 20% of all revenue would be owned as corporate income tax, and startups would deduct it all as they're spending much more on R&D than they owe in corporate income tax. But with this tax change, the deduction would be much lower (80% lower IIUC).

> you don't pay taxes on profits, but on revenue. That can't be right. It definitely isn't in my country. If own a car dealership, and I sell a car for $50,000 that I bought from the manufacturer for $40,000, surely I would pay tax on the $10,000 profit? The tax on the the full $50,000 revenue might exceed my profit!

Welcome to the Democrat version of taxes. In Michigan, restaurant owners had to pay a tax on revenue and not profit around 2008 or so.

lots of retaurants went out of business overnight.

Re: The time bomb in the tax code that's fueling mass tech layoffs

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post #572

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What are the implications of this. As I understand accounting, this means that reported profits would be higher, and therefore incur more corporate income tax liability. Cash flow isn't effected besides tax. A startup isn't likely to be making a profit yet, under either accounting rule. Is there a benefit to reporting a larger loss? My first thought is that this effects Google and suchlike, not startups. But... assum…

Google was reportedly amortizing (by choice) long before this was in effect, so while it might “affect them”, in practice it’s likely business as usual.

It depends on the department. My salary (in a mature product) was already amortized - I suspect the same is true of all their other mature products like Search, Maps, GMail, Chrome, YouTube, etc. But I think they were deducting salaries in the more research-like areas like Gemini, Jax, Assistant, etc. So there is net still a fairly large charge related to it, even if it isn't as large as it could be.
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