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NASA delays next flight of Boeing's alternative to SpaceX Dragon

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Re: NASA delays next flight of Boeing's alternative to SpaceX Dragon

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> It seems likely that the Pentagon will soon force SpaceX to merge into another contractor I'm sorry but what? SpaceX is private, not public, and regardless the Pentagon has zero power to force any such thing. It's making gobs of money and growing pretty fast (around $12 billion revenue this year, prediction is/was ~$15.5 billion so something like a 30% YoY increase) with most of that from Starlink, then commercial…

> The real plan Ugh that is being way too generous. A private space industry exists despite their plans not because of them.

>A private space industry exists despite their plans not because of them.

No, this is completely opposite to reality. The current US private space industry was absolutely the result in large part of a rare modern spell of good policy decisions and sustained support (and absolutely yes, a certain amount of luck, but it's important to create conditions where luck can snowball). Support that has paid off in spades and now is self-sustaining sure, but that's a good thing and doesn't change the vital nature of the bootstrapping period. Commercial Cargo and Commercial Crew were critical, as was opening up national security launches then actually embracing it. Multiple providers is now an explicit goal of the DOD and they have repeatedly acted to support it, from awarding NSSL launch contracts with an eye towards which player really needed them to stay in business to being willing to take on more risk for less critical payloads. It hasn't been a short road or one without bumps and conflicting interests, and it's almost a miracle it happened at all given Congress' general shortsightedness and desire to use space almost purely as a vehicle for pork regardless of efficiency, but happen it did (ironically thanks in significant part to Boeing [0]). The contrast with the slow, anemic and visionless efforts of the EU during the same time period is striking.

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0: https://arstechnica.com/science/2022/05/actually-boeing-is-p...

Re: NASA delays next flight of Boeing's alternative to SpaceX Dragon

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One thing I wanted to ask somewhere, Jared Isaacman was NOT a Musk pick, or am I not right?

They pulled Jared Isaacman because it was revealed he had donated to Democrats.

That's pretty amusing, considering Trump spent decades as a NY Democrat.

Re: NASA delays next flight of Boeing's alternative to SpaceX Dragon

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"Musk, who has been engaged in a high-profile feud with US President Donald Trump, on Thursday threatened to decommission the Dragon before later saying the spacecraft would stay in operation." Interesting timing.

That was a pretty dumb tweet as it gives Trump all the ammo to put SpaceX under close government scrutiny and/or make plans to nationalize it, or whatever whimsical thing he can think of to hurt Musk.

I'm hoping Melon loses his SpaceX security clearances. He routinely commits federal crimes. Everyone else would have lost theirs long ago.

Re: NASA delays next flight of Boeing's alternative to SpaceX Dragon

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It seems likely that the Pentagon will soon force SpaceX to merge into another contractor, most likely Boeing or Boeing's largest rival, Lockheed-Martin.

Putting SpaceX under the CEO of Boeing would make SpaceX as bad as Boeing, not Boeing as good as SpaceX. Also, it's still America. Good luck to anyone trying to "force" SpaceX, a private company, to do anything they don't want.

"it's still America"

Is it?

Re: NASA delays next flight of Boeing's alternative to SpaceX Dragon

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You just did. The counter reply is that true capitalism drove NASA. The original space programs were built with hundreds of contractors selected from thousands of bids. The entire purpose of NASA was to create a viable commercial space program. Now we have two choices for some reason. I beat this drum a lot.. but this is "monopoly" and "oligarchy."

> Now we have two choices for some reason. Because its an insanely difficult problem when you have to be 99.9999% sure you won't kill an astronaut because we generally don't have the "if they die it sucks for them" attitude with space anymore.

Seems like letting the hand wringing pearl clutching public weigh in on these things was perhaps a mistake and we should be doing it the way we do every other dangerous or bleeding edge thing. There's a big enough pool of guys who'll jump off cliffs in wing suits or whatever that surely we can spare a few to put on rockets.

(Spare me the lecture about people who have no better choice feeling pressured to do so for money. Seems like every other navigable waterway in North America is named after someone who could've lived comfortably but continued sailing off into the unknown until he didn't come back. People do this stuff for glory more than money.)

Re: NASA delays next flight of Boeing's alternative to SpaceX Dragon

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NASA still cooperates heavily with Roscosmos and American astronauts regularly fly in paid Soyuz seats. The latest one is Johnny Kim who launched in late April on Soyuz MS-27 from Baikonur and will stay on the ISS until december. And Christopher Williams is already scheduled for the next Soyuz mission. China on the other hand will probably never happen because of the general political climate in the US and this admin…

Congress has forbidden NASA to cooperate with China for many years. It's been law since 2011: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolf_Amendment Also I believe that Russia isn't being paid for astronauts to fly on Soyuz. Instead, cosmonauts fly on Dragon. It's a like-for-like exchange which is mutually beneficial (both countries need the other's cooperation to keep the ISS operational, so these exchanges ensure that can co…

My understanding is Russia wants out of ISS cooperation. Whatever contract there is, it will expire soon, and may not be extended.

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I'm usually not one to defend Elmo, but it was a response to P47 threatening to defund SpaceX. It's like watching children. Poor USA, poor us.

One thing I wanted to ask somewhere, Jared Isaacman was NOT a Musk pick, or am I not right?

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Re: NASA delays next flight of Boeing's alternative to SpaceX Dragon

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They pulled Jared Isaacman because it was revealed he had donated to Democrats.

That's pretty amusing, considering Trump spent decades as a NY Democrat.

Rules for thee, not for me.

Re: NASA delays next flight of Boeing's alternative to SpaceX Dragon

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It seems likely that the Pentagon will soon force SpaceX to merge into another contractor, most likely Boeing or Boeing's largest rival, Lockheed-Martin.

Putting SpaceX under the CEO of Boeing would make SpaceX as bad as Boeing, not Boeing as good as SpaceX. Also, it's still America. Good luck to anyone trying to "force" SpaceX, a private company, to do anything they don't want.

Trump admin has suggested using wartime powers to nationalize SpaceX. They're already using those powers for deportations.

I don't know if they seriously want to do it, but whether they can do it is up to a highly sympathetic SCOTUS.

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