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The time bomb in the tax code that's fueling mass tech layoffs

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This is insane, how does it make sense? Employee salary expenses are no different from other expenses to run your business. Imagine they did this for raw material instead, a restaurant could only expense 20% of the food that they sell. If they purchased $100 worth of food, but could only sell $50 worth of it, they have to pay tax on that even when making a net loss overall. It just does not make any sense. There woul…

Employee salary cost isn't always 100% an expense. Imagine you are BigCarCo, you make cars. The salary for your factory workers that build cars to be sold is an expense, incurred in that year, to be matched against the revenues earned by selling those cars. But the cost to build the factory needs to be amortized over the lifetime of the factory - and that's true whether you buy a factory from BigFactoryCo or hire a b…

Actually, if the company isn't selling the software they build, what their software devs do is closer to building a factory rather than working in it.

Mostly developing software is about automating things that are expensive and slow to do manually. So, to stick with the factory analogy, it makes the factory a bit better and more efficient. If you stop doing that because it is too expensive, you fall behind with your factory.

Of course the whole issue in the US is that it outsourced much of what happens in factories to China and software has become one of the main things the country runs on.

Re: The time bomb in the tax code that's fueling mass tech layoffs

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Equal in voting rights. Gerrymandering has been perfected by Republicans. Through that they manage to dilute votes of the opposition. Other measures discourage voters likely to vote against them, like people who cannot easily take time off to vote in person or who have changed their name. Blocking rank choice and maintaining first past the post also disenfranchise third parties, and reinforces the power of incumbents…

> Equal in voting rights. Gerrymandering has been perfected by Republicans. Through that they manage to dilute votes of the opposition. This thread is talking about the Senate. The senate isn't gerrymandered. Both senators are state-wide races. If you want to view it that way, you can view the senate as "pre-gerrymandered". But the last time that was an option was in 1959, and both of those are just "the entire area…

Gerrymandering can affect voter sentiment and trigger polling location changes during redistricting, both of which can affect voter turnout[1][2][3] (though the research doesn't seem conclusive on the effect).

And thinking about it more, though I haven't seen if there are studies on it: there are probably manpower/fundraising effects from gerrymandering.

If you're able to protect your political power in one area that probably better enables you to amass resources to use in the area you can't gerrymander.

But all that said, both parties practice gerrymandering and I don't think there's strong evidence of a significant advantage over a major party from current gerrymandering at the national level.

[1] https://da.lib.kobe-u.ac.jp/da/kernel/90008864/90008864.pdf

[2] https://electionlab.mit.edu/articles/gerrymandering-turnout-...

[3] https://stateline.org/2022/05/20/check-your-polling-place-re...

Re: The time bomb in the tax code that's fueling mass tech layoffs

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Most presidents care about legacy, at least to me it seems like trump holds that as a higher priority than most.

Trump seems to care what people think today, every day. He doesn't seem like someone who puts a lot of thought into the future.

You know, I wonder if that's a sad but valuable trait for a politician.

Public opinion can change daily, and external events can appear with no warning. These things can make a prior path of action vanish, or even make it madness to pursue.

If you try to plan everything long term, I bet you hit a lot of disappoint as a politician. If you only see today, then you're not fighting for things that are now not possible.

I imagine one would be far less stressed as a result. And maybe more popular than otherwise.

Re: The time bomb in the tax code that's fueling mass tech layoffs

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A dead post below says it was biden and somehow Obama, but sibling reply link says it passed into law in 2017, not 2022, the first year it went into effect I think.

The article is pretty clear that the law was from 2017 had a scheduled start date of 2022. Although probably not the actual intended effect, it does have the effect of confusing who would be responsible for it by those who don't read past the effective date.

> Although probably not the actual intended effect

This is actually a really common intention in laws like this. Get the tax cuts during your term, and then kick the can down the road so your successor's term is marred by the bad law. If your successor wants to fix it, they need to pass a different tax to recoup the costs, and incur the publicity of "raising taxes".

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Breaking the law is still breaking the law even if you don't hide it. If anything, not getting in trouble for breaking the law noticeably often means that there's also corruption from the ones who should be holding the corrupt accountable.

Breaking the law isn't "corruption" A good definition from AI "Is when government officials misuse their power for personal gain or to benefit their friends or associates"

Right, which is illegal. Thus breaking the law. And remains both corruption and breaking the law even when it happens in the open.

Re: The time bomb in the tax code that's fueling mass tech layoffs

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We are small and so have been on a hiring freeze since 2022. I’d like to hire but the upfront cost is high. For those around when this went into effect many business owners were surprised. Our accountants told us they seriously thought congress would fix this before it went into effect.

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Get a better government.

Re: The time bomb in the tax code that's fueling mass tech layoffs

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It's not really targeted at tech, insomuch as at Democrats. Everyone assumed it was a traditional accounting hack. But given the timing and the reinitialization, it's clearly political, not economic. The code is a strategic time-bomb designed to cause a high-profile economic downturn during a presidential election cycle, specifically when the following president is a Democrat and Republicans have a house majority. It…

The Democrats had control of the presidency and the house in 2022 when this provision first went into effect but had 2 fewer senators (1 fewer if you count the tie-breaking VP). Why didn't they try to change it? Is there some reason a change in the tax code like this can't be modified or repealed once its in place?

Politics are complicated.

Generally, in tax bills they try to keep them "neutral" where any tax cuts or tax breaks are coupled with tax increases elsewhere BUT they tend to report the 10-year affect for whatever reason. This bill provided a ~30% cut in corporate tax on profits, with a delayed increase in tax cost on Software R&D pushed to the next term.

If the next party wants to reverse it, they'd have to find the money with an increase in tax - directly undoing it would be a ~50% increase in corporate tax rate, which (I guess?) would be a tough sell politically. Meanwhile, the tax code on software engineering sounds too niche to expend political capital on.

Either way, its another example of how corporate America is trading long-term growth (R&D, product development) for short term gain (lower taxes today).

Re: The time bomb in the tax code that's fueling mass tech layoffs

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> 174 is so small it can't go through both chambers on its own so it needs to get attached a larger bill like OBBA. There's a minimum size for laws?

Why would a senator from Kentucky vote for a bill that doesn't benefit his state to a meaningful amount?

Seriously?

Re: The time bomb in the tax code that's fueling mass tech layoffs

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We are small and so have been on a hiring freeze since 2022. I’d like to hire but the upfront cost is high. For those around when this went into effect many business owners were surprised. Our accountants told us they seriously thought congress would fix this before it went into effect.

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Often the way this works is that some time bomb is added to the tax code so that forecasts for future tax revenue will be higher (justifying more spending in the short term) and congress then needs to remember to remove the time bomb before it blows up. So it isn’t that uncommon for these things to be reverted.
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