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Czech Republic: Petition for open source in public administration

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Re: Czech Republic: Petition for open source in public administration

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See also: https://publiccode.eu

I wonder there is not already such a petition in the EU or Germany. I searched, but didn't find any. Somebody who wants to create one? I'm not that good in writing such texts: Europe: https://www.europarl.europa.eu/petitions/de/home Germany: https://epetitionen.bundestag.de/epet/startseite.nc.html

> Germany

Ongoing discussion:

Digital Minister wants open standards and open source as guiding principle (heise.de)

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44198171

Re: Czech Republic: Petition for open source in public administration

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I think libreoffice suffers from a branding style issue more than anything else. It's not like Office 365 is inherently superior, but it looks like it is straight out of 2006 and that negatively impacts the users perception of it.

My hunch is that if maintainers were to invest into making it look more like Office 365 (purely in a cosmetic way), the opposition to using libreoffice would reduce significantly.

And for the old timers that will run to "Office 2007/10/13 was the best version and had the old UI". I get it and agree, but the average person likes nice things that look up-to-date.

Re: Czech Republic: Petition for open source in public administration

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post #22

I think libreoffice suffers from a branding style issue more than anything else. It's not like Office 365 is inherently superior, but it looks like it is straight out of 2006 and that negatively impacts the users perception of it. My hunch is that if maintainers were to invest into making it look more like Office 365 (purely in a cosmetic way), the opposition to using libreoffice would reduce significantly. And for t…

Agree with the ‘Oldtimers’ with the exception of the recent additions of LET() LAMBDA() REGEXTRACT() XLOOKUP() etc..

Re: Czech Republic: Petition for open source in public administration

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wonder there is not already such a petition in the EU or Germany. I searched, but didn't find any. Somebody who wants to create one? I'm not that good in writing such texts: Europe: https://www.europarl.europa.eu/petitions/de/home Germany: https://epetitionen.bundestag.de/epet/startseite.nc.html

> Germany Ongoing discussion: Digital Minister wants open standards and open source as guiding principle (heise.de) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44198171

Was going to mention the same. I do feel like there is some connection there.

The new digital minister seems to be doing well. He used to be CEO of an electronics retailer with mixed to negative reputation in nerd circles, but he also has a physics degree and has software experience in the trenches, so I wasn't sure what to think of him.

Re: Czech Republic: Petition for open source in public administration

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Realistically there's no reason government can't use open source software and open formats especially. Last time I had to fill out a government form in Canada, it was a PDF that only opened in the Windows desktop version of Adobe Acrobat... Even the Android version couldn't open it. Super annoying and completely unnecessary. Edit - I don't even care if they keep their server code proprietary. But just use free format…

> Realistically there's no reason government can't use open source software and open formats especially. > Last time I had to fill out a government form in Canada (...) Without any evidence, let me argue why maybe it shouldn't. In the past, a common opinion that I have heard is that open source is more secure because all the code is out in the open. The recent xzutils backdoor attempt [1] kind of led me to believe it…

The xz backdoor was caught before anyone used it. This is typical of open source backdoors, but atypical of proprietary ones. History is full of proprietary software with backdoors which were discovered after years or decades of being actively used. Lotus notes, RSA corporation, Cisco routers, Juniper switches, Huawei everything.

We have more or less immutable history of every change leading to every release of open source software. Any backdoors you previously created under an identity could burn that identity forever. That history is not available for proprietary software. If someone adds a backdoor in proprietary software for two years and then removes it in later versions, it's totally likely it'll never be noticed.

Thinking that open source software is at greater risk of being backdoored is akin to thinking most trees in the world grow along the road, just because you drive everywhere and have never been inside a forest.

Re: Czech Republic: Petition for open source in public administration

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Germany Ongoing discussion: Digital Minister wants open standards and open source as guiding principle (heise.de) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44198171

Was going to mention the same. I do feel like there is some connection there. The new digital minister seems to be doing well. He used to be CEO of an electronics retailer with mixed to negative reputation in nerd circles, but he also has a physics degree and has software experience in the trenches, so I wasn't sure what to think of him.

I'm keeping my fingers crossed! Hopefully it won't just remain at the announcement stage.

Re: Czech Republic: Petition for open source in public administration

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post #22

I think libreoffice suffers from a branding style issue more than anything else. It's not like Office 365 is inherently superior, but it looks like it is straight out of 2006 and that negatively impacts the users perception of it. My hunch is that if maintainers were to invest into making it look more like Office 365 (purely in a cosmetic way), the opposition to using libreoffice would reduce significantly. And for t…

I'd argue this is not as big of a factor in governments as it is elsewhere (plus, they already use software that's way worse than LO in terms of UI/UX).

It's more that someone somewhere gets their % when selling them the commercial software, be it Microsoft or someone else.

Re: Czech Republic: Petition for open source in public administration

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The entire thesis behind the open source security model is to have lots of eyes on the code/program, since more eyes = more likelihood of catching it. Even if you say it's accidental, let's say the odds of catching it are 0.00001. Repeat that enough times and you get 1. It was caught before any distro released with it. The system worked.

If one of the Debian or Fedora developers had immediately caught on to what they were looking at when their attention was drawn to it by the failures, I would say the system worked. It's certainly true that open source saved the day here, but that's maybe different from saying "the system" worked. It easily could have gone unnoticed, or been noticed a few weeks later.

It could have also been noticed earlier. Maybe it was luck it was detected so late?
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