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Being fat is a trap

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Re: Being fat is a trap

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Just as with being fat. Stopping being poor is easy.

Earn more, spend more time earning money. Cut down spending. Evaluate what you spend money and remove the too expensive parts.

After those steps it is simple.

And for some reason people just don't accept this truth.

Re: Being fat is a trap

#172
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> but you have the choice to step out of the fat trap. People should also talk about the volition trap. I'm 40 and it feels like I've had more than a life's worth of people talking about how "you can do it if you just try!" > ... advertising signs that con / you into thinking you can do what's never been done / meantime life goes on all around you The sheer scope of the obesity pandemic should make it clear that we a…

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Science disagrees.

On an individual level, yes, "try harder" is all we personally can do (well, until GLP-1 agonists, LOL). So, sure, it's "good advice" in that it's all there is.

On a policy level? As far as medical intervention efficacy? It's entirely useless. Even crazy-expensive interventions involving several hours of professionals' time per week, for months on end, are wildly less effective than one might think.

What does work? Changing environment! Just ("just", lol) move to a skinnier country. You'll probably lose weight. Conversely, if people from there move to the US, they'll probably get fatter. That is, willpower and accountability and all that are not why certain populations are skinnier than others. Environment, which likely encompasses tons of factors that'd be incredibly expensive and take decades to change, seems to be it.

> Your claim that "trying harder" is "akin to insanity" is such an overreaction that it's misleading exaggeration, not worthy of further dissection.

"Akin to insanity" in the sense that nobody who's aware of research on the topic thinks it can work over a population... I mean, yes, very much so.

Re: Being fat is a trap

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I'd rather not fry my kidneys. Have muscle problem, just take steroids?

Ironically, GLP-1 causes a great improvement in kidney and liver function too, and studies are ongoing for a multitude of other weight-unrelated (as well as related) diseases.

Everyone should be on it. Benefits for non-overweight people with no addictions are rather marginal but there are almost no downsides.

Re: Being fat is a trap

#174

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Accountability for putting food in your mouth. And then claiming it's not your fault. It 100% is.

Of course it's your "fault", obviously. But why do you think so many people are so messed up then?

Because food is cheap and they have no self-control.

And because certain groups promote fatness as a virtue, or that fatness is healthy.

Just a few comments above you claimed "The sheer scope of the obesity pandemic should make it clear that we are not the problem", and now you admit that it's your fault. Which one is it?

Re: Being fat is a trap

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Rome wasn’t built in a day and all that. Maybe set 1 goal a week, or a month even, and then add to them. For example, only drink water. It’s all the body needs for hydration anyways. No soda, diet soda, alcohol, slurpees, etc. Black coffee if you enjoy a cuppa in the morning, no sugar. (Good black coffee is such a joy) Then set a rule about only eating 3 meals a day, however you define meal. No snacks in between. Los…

One I try to do (not always successful) is no eating after 9/8/whenever PM - no matter how hungry. You could make any variation you want, but the food we eat later tends to be bad for us, bigger portions and not really enjoyed, plus impacts your sleep. It's hard but you're likely not really "starving"; going to bed slightly hungry is a good mental exercise too

Yeah, “no snacking” would have been my next suggestion, but I was worried about coming off as too preachy.

My spouse and I work full time with 3 kids between ages 3-11. We are very busy, all the time. We have both lost a noticeable amount of weight in the past 6 months following these kinds of “rules” if you will.

People who says they’re too busy are sadly fooling themselves.

We don’t even exercise! Well, maybe at night sometimes…

Re: Being fat is a trap

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You lack accountability to yourself. Read this comment you wrote: > People should also talk about the volition trap. I'm 40 and it feels like I've had more than a life's worth of people talking about how "you can do it if you just try!" "People should" instead of "I'm going to". "It feels like" instead of making a direct statement. Nobody here knows your situation or why you formed the way you did. But also, it doesn…

> Just do it. No excuses. This just sounds like you got brainwashed by Nike ("advertising signs that con / you into thinking..."). I'm not a person who makes excuses, and I'm not making excuses here. I'm not even obese. I'm just observing phenomena. And the question I want to know is how is it that so many humans, who came this far evolutionarily, are all of a sudden so messed up? I mean, literally every single perso…

You live in an imaginary world.

> We are progeny of the winners, the tenacious, the survivors, the killers.

You are a progeny of a chance, nothing more.

Re: Being fat is a trap

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> I live in a place where it is unpleasantly hot (upper 90s and humid) Work out in the early morning or late evening? > I hate gyms and toxic gym culture Stop hating gyms. Stop over-analyzing "toxic gym culture". Get off social media because that's the only place this exists. Nobody in the gym cares about you or what you're doing as long as you aren't harming someone else, breaking equipment, etc. > I have a quaint b…

> For sure. If you are surrounded by a bunch of obese people encouraging you to drink milkshakes all day and making fun of you for working out, that's going to be hard to overcome! But just like climate change, you can't control these social conditions, or at least you can't have much of an effect. But you can make a difference in your own life according to your own principles. Often times it just means being "less b…

> I'm also fascinated by the reaction that I must be fattie fat man who wants to make excuses and wait for others to fix my problem because I questioned whether mental fortitude is enough

Why is this fascinating when you both offered up a litany of excuses and then went on to say:

> Much like fighting climate change, placing all the responsibility on the end user without changing some of the social conditions is a flawed approach, even if there are some things individuals can do to help

Who is changing some of the societal conditions here? You or someone else?

Re: Being fat is a trap

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Of course it's your "fault", obviously. But why do you think so many people are so messed up then?

Like let's say all of a sudden wolves started getting super obese. What happened to wolves that they evolved for millions of years just fine, and then whoop all of a sudden they were all diabetic and obese?

What, do they need to try harder at being wolves?

Re: Being fat is a trap

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> Just do it. No excuses. This just sounds like you got brainwashed by Nike ("advertising signs that con / you into thinking..."). I'm not a person who makes excuses, and I'm not making excuses here. I'm not even obese. I'm just observing phenomena. And the question I want to know is how is it that so many humans, who came this far evolutionarily, are all of a sudden so messed up? I mean, literally every single perso…

You live in an imaginary world. > We are progeny of the winners, the tenacious, the survivors, the killers. You are a progeny of a chance, nothing more.

People who don't have the will to live die. And they usually don't procreate, especially under adverse conditions.

Re: Being fat is a trap

#180

I have extremely lucky genes and have managed to stay just within the green BMI range despite eating all the carbs and fats you can imagine and at times consuming 200-300g of milk chocolate a day. Some of my friends are obese despite exercising heavily every day. Finding ways you enjoy to keep an active lifestyle is a great idea, probably the highest impact thing you can do for your long term well being (for people i…

>Some of my friends are obese despite exercising heavily every day. Exercise -- even heavily -- will never compensate a bad diet; that focus we have on exercise as weight control is detrimental.

What it does do is improve your metabolism and health, both physical and mental. This can improve lots of your processes. Neglecting exercise is absolutely destructive and restricting calories does not get you those things, in fact it can work against them. Building muscle also helps burn calories and improves insulin response. Obviously, it is not enough on its own without a healthy lifestyle as a whole.
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