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Being fat is a trap

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Re: Being fat is a trap

#141

I feel like the author is generalizing by assuming that everyone who is fat has an "obsession with food".

Yeah, I can see that. I recently dropped good chunk of fat. For context, I'm a 5'11 (~180 cm) male (early 50s, ugh). I'd been going to my doctor yearly and my weight had been around 195 lbs (88.45 kg) for 5 years. I didn't like it anymore, as that is considered overweight. My doc didn't mind as she said since it was consistent she wasn't worried about it. Sometimes I'd catch my reflection in my car window as I walked up to it, or my shadow and thought "Hmm, I don't like that shape... at all." I didn't like the way my belt and pants felt when I sat. So, back in December I simply cut calories. I started counting my calories and knocked them down to about 1,200 a day. I also walk at a decent pace for 30 minutes at least once a day, but it's usually an hour or more (perhaps 2 30+ minute walks a day). Since then I am now down to about 170 lbs (77.1k g). I am now in the "normal" range, but just barely. I'd like to lose another 10 lbs (4.5 kg), but that is getting more difficult, as I need to pick up the exercise pace and well... I hate exercising. Sweating profusely is not my bag. It makes me angry, and full of rage. Yeah, I know that's odd, but it makes me feel mentally horrible.

I can say that my feet, knees and legs sure appreciate the change. I definitely don't feel that weight on me like I did before. I do like the occasional "Hey, you're looking good" or "You lost weight, didn't you?" That doesn't offend me. My facial structure looks better, as I have a better chin line now. My clothes are a pain, as I have to keep a tight belt as all my pants are too big now. My stomach is much flatter and doesn't poke out. Hah. I don't have a 6 pack but I sure don't have a mini-keg starting.

Anyway, after all my rambling, my point is that I wasn't addicted to food. I just sit in front of a computer too much, and was consuming too many calories. I do miss fun food. I haven't had things like ice cream since I started this thing. I'm not a fan of always being hungry. I deal with it, but I sure feel like I can eat all the time. The key is to just not think of it. Avoid being around it. I don't go out to eat with people, as that stuff is always a killer when it comes to calories. Usually, I meet up for a drink but when they all decide to go hit a table for dinner, I'll say my goodbyes and move along to something and eat later at home as I know what I'm ingesting.

For most of us that have too much fat on us, it's simply about calorie control. It's not food addition, or a mental problem. It's simply awareness. Though, in the US, we obviously have a huge mental disorder epidemic, but I believe that is just the disorder of "rampant cognitive dissonance." It covers so much of our issues here. "This soda is fine, I only have 4 a day." "Sure it's deep fried, but it's fish and that's healthy!" "He's a billionaire; he doesn't want your money! You can trust him to fix the government..." Cough Cough

Re: Being fat is a trap

#142
I was overweight my entire life up to when I was 21. In less than 2 years I went from 300lb to 198lb (136kg to 89kg). I'm 6'4 so 198 personally was not maintainable, but I was working out, and I felt my best at 205, which I sat at for 3ish years. Recently I hit 240, I got an office job, so working out and just life in general is harder to do right now but I'm actually doing pretty well about eating again.

I agree with what he is saying, but I think the trap starts earlier than that. I think a huge aspect is your eating habits as a child. I feel like my hunger is not normal, I can have a giant meal and still feel the need to continue eating, my brain just loves it. It is frustrating to feel the need to eat 24/7, I believe my family has some form of ADHD because we all have addictive personalities, mine and my sisters were eating. My eating habits as a child is something that I ALWAYS have to fight against, it can get pretty tiring.

What I can tell you though is losing weight is also a feedback loop, I'm not saying positive or negative because I believe it depends on who you ask. When I was losing weight, it was so much easier once the ball was rolling, I'm less hungry, I have more energy, but you also start thinking about everything you eat. I was refusing to have dinner with college roommates because it didn't fit my daily caloric intake, and I never truly felt like I looked better, I was never satisfied. At my skinniest you could see my ribs and my arms were twigs.

The inverse is true, I truly believe that most American food is designed to make you eat more than to provide enjoyable nutrition. I visited Europe once, and it was crazy how much weight I was losing because I could have a great meal and feel content, something that I rarely feel here.

The weird thing is I wouldn't change a thing, maybe I did overcorrect, but it taught me a ton about nutrition, and seeing my weight go down made me feel more passionate to keep going, I'm not sure if I had stuck with it if I did the healthier slow and steady approach.

I'm back on the grind and have been working out more, it sucks that I don't have the time to dedicate to my health that I used to during covid, but that's something I'll have to figure out.

Re: Being fat is a trap

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> but you have the choice to step out of the fat trap. People should also talk about the volition trap. I'm 40 and it feels like I've had more than a life's worth of people talking about how "you can do it if you just try!" > ... advertising signs that con / you into thinking you can do what's never been done / meantime life goes on all around you The sheer scope of the obesity pandemic should make it clear that we a…

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I remember two churches I attended.

In the first one, the communion was actual wine. The priest was adamant about it being real wine. But, we had a guy who was a recovering alcoholic in the congregation. Now, if you know anyone that is recovering from alcohol abuse, then you know that even one sip of booze is enough to send you on a bender. But, our priest was adamant that we all take communion in full bodied wine.

The other church I was at had communion too. But this church has the communion wine as sugar free grape juice, and all the bread served was gluten free. Covered the diabetics and the alcoholics with the 'wine' and covered the ceiliacs with the bread. No one in the congregation ever complained about the tastes; we all grew to rather like it that way, thankyouverymuch.

Which, I dare ask, was the more christ-like way of taking holy communion?

Re: Being fat is a trap

#145
post #44

> but you have the choice to step out of the fat trap. People should also talk about the volition trap. I'm 40 and it feels like I've had more than a life's worth of people talking about how "you can do it if you just try!" > ... advertising signs that con / you into thinking you can do what's never been done / meantime life goes on all around you The sheer scope of the obesity pandemic should make it clear that we a…

The answer, I believe, is that we are unique among all other creatures in that we are not equipped to be able to master our own actions. We all do things we would say we ought not to have done. The whole concept of fairness is built around the fact that people don’t always do what they should.

And just because everybody isn’t fat doesn’t mean they don’t struggle with porn, or substance abuse, or some other hangup they can’t seem to shake. In fact it’s the people who deny having any issues that are sometimes the least self-aware, having the most glaringly obvious issues to everyone else around them.

Re: Being fat is a trap

#146

I am going to be blunt here. Why is everyone using time as an excuse? In fact, it should be easier to lose weight if you are truly busy, because the only thing that will make you lose weight is eating less. This whole idea about exercising to lose weight is unhelpful when the truth is that no amount of exercise is going to compensate for eating more calories than you have to. And yes, you will go to bed slightly hung…

Eating healthy takes more time than eating junk. The busier I am the less time I have for food shopping and the more likely I am to be away from home and need food, which means eating out.

Also cooking. If you don't have your groceries sorted and a little planning for prepping some meals ahead, suddenly you have a fridge full of ingredients and nothing to eat.

Re: Being fat is a trap

#147
> it might astonish you to find out that most fat people are painfully and constantly aware that they are fat

I really don’t believe this is true. It may have been at some time in the 1900s when being skinny was the norm, but most people will look around these days and see that other people are fat just like them, and it just becomes accepted as the norm. The “fat” person is always someone fatter than them. And even if they know they are fat, most simply refuse to see it as a problem.

Most have been fat so long I do not think they are even aware how much better life could be if they were a proper weight, anymore than a skinny person thinks how much harder life would be if they were carrying an extra 45 pounds everywhere they went. I hear the little pains they feel everyday from being fat often getting attributed to age when really it’s just from being fat and inactive. If you take care of yourself you should feel just as good at 40 as you did in your 20s, and maybe even better.

But here’s the grim truth: it’s pretty much impossible for 99% of people to ever lose weight long term. Once you’ve reached a certain level of weight, you’re pretty much not going to be much lower than that for the rest of your life, no matter how hard you try. Nearly 99% of people who lose significant weight gain it back it after year. Imagine, when was the last time you were top 1% of anything? That’s the level of effort you have to go through to be one of the success stories, and I don’t think people realize this.

Your ONLY hope is stuff like Ozempic and other GLP-1s.

Re: Being fat is a trap

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> You lack accountability. Accountability for what? To who? And for what purpose? > in 99% of cases, they are the problem, not genetics Where'd you get that number? What are you basing it on? > Your claim that "trying harder" is "akin to insanity" is such an overreaction that it's misleading exaggeration, not worthy of further not worthy of further dissection. What does this even mean? How is my claim an overreaction…

Accountability for putting food in your mouth.

And then claiming it's not your fault.

It 100% is.

Re: Being fat is a trap

#149
post #44

> but you have the choice to step out of the fat trap. People should also talk about the volition trap. I'm 40 and it feels like I've had more than a life's worth of people talking about how "you can do it if you just try!" > ... advertising signs that con / you into thinking you can do what's never been done / meantime life goes on all around you The sheer scope of the obesity pandemic should make it clear that we a…

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This seems far too harsh. Some people just poop out excess calories. Other people store excess calories as an energy reserve much more efficiently. Not everyone who is obese does that, but it's definitely a factor for many people.

For what it's worth, completely putting the environment at fault also doesn't seem right to me. But genetics absolutely plays a part, as does what is considered a "standard" meal/portion.

Re: Being fat is a trap

#150

> Getting out of the physical fat trap, strictly speaking, is simple: Develop basic sleep habits so that you get decent sleep. Exercise daily or almost daily. Reduce refined carbs, unhealthy fats and alcohol from your diet. Focus on getting enough vegetables, fruits, complex carbs and healthy fats. Well... and that's the problem. It sounds easy on paper but in fact it is not easy at all in practice for the wide masse…

Another trap I see in your list is wasting 3-4 hours for unpaid work:

- 2 hours commute daily? This seems crazy. Never had such a commute and most of my life I could walk or cycle to the university/work, so I gained some free exercise time.

- 1 hour overtime daily? What for?

- Lunch outside of work? (This is where my additional hour came from) Thankfully this never happened to me in my actual career.

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