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Being fat is a trap

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Re: Being fat is a trap

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> but you have the choice to step out of the fat trap. People should also talk about the volition trap. I'm 40 and it feels like I've had more than a life's worth of people talking about how "you can do it if you just try!" > ... advertising signs that con / you into thinking you can do what's never been done / meantime life goes on all around you The sheer scope of the obesity pandemic should make it clear that we a…

The premise of western civilization is that most of us are unfit idiots and natural slaves and we must fight to get out of our miserable subaltern state.

Re: Being fat is a trap

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I have extremely lucky genes and have managed to stay just within the green BMI range despite eating all the carbs and fats you can imagine and at times consuming 200-300g of milk chocolate a day. Some of my friends are obese despite exercising heavily every day. Finding ways you enjoy to keep an active lifestyle is a great idea, probably the highest impact thing you can do for your long term well being (for people i…

> I have extremely lucky genes and have managed to stay just within the green BMI range despite eating all the carbs and fats you can imagine and at times consuming 200-300g of milk chocolate a day.

> Some of my friends are obese despite exercising heavily every day.

Whether that's a boon or a bane not depends on which body fat and especially visceral body fat you end up with. Looking fit (which is somewhat captured by BMI) but actually being unhealthy (body fat) makes it easier to ignore in the short-term.

Re: Being fat is a trap

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I found that removing carbs and calorie counting together works well. Psychologically (and perhaps physically), allowing for one weekly "cheat day" helps to keep to it a lot, IMHO.

It's interesting to me that if you're rigorous enough the other six days the cheat day still works. I would order in restaurant food and have some alcohol with it, get ice cream or whatever, and was still losing weight overall. I guess one day isn't enough to get your body used to the high calories or something? Diet science is weird

Yeah if your weekly average calorie-intake is still in deficit, you will lose weight. BUT, it's possible to blow your weekly average with one day of binging. So even on cheat days, be careful.

Re: Being fat is a trap

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Re: Being fat is a trap

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post #44

> but you have the choice to step out of the fat trap. People should also talk about the volition trap. I'm 40 and it feels like I've had more than a life's worth of people talking about how "you can do it if you just try!" > ... advertising signs that con / you into thinking you can do what's never been done / meantime life goes on all around you The sheer scope of the obesity pandemic should make it clear that we a…

> The sheer scope of the obesity pandemic should make it clear that we are not the problem

The "obesity pandemic" is a very distinct trait of USA. The rest of the world does not have this problem at this magnitude.

Re: Being fat is a trap

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To chime on this topic as one that's also quite personally relevant to me, I was obese as a youth. I got extremely into physical culture and healthy eating and pushed myself to become an elite athlete so that I would have another positive feedback mechanism for my diet and exercise habits besides just looking good. This worked quite well, and for years I enjoyed going to the gym 5 days a week and eating a strictly regimented diet because in addition to looking phenomenal I was chasing records and tracking clear metrics that I could derive satisfaction from on a weekly basis.

This part of my life ended in December 2020 when I was t-boned by a drunk driver going 130Mph. I'm no longer able to engage in intense exercise the way I once was, and the combination of my physical limitations and emotional issues (in addition to losing my life-long hobby and being in constant pain, my son had birth complications in 2022 and required brain surgery, and is now heavily special needs) pushed me towards alcoholism and emotional eating. I gained a _lot_ of weight, and my previous strategies no longer provided me with the guardrails and motivation to deal with the problem.

I've always had an issue with insatiable appetite my entire life, and while I was able to deal with it via a militantly regimented lifestyle and mindset change, I recognize that solution is itself incredibly challenging to implement (if it's even possible in an individual's case). Thankfully Monjourno was able to help me address the problem, and I look forward to GLP medications becoming more widely available as I do think there are a lot of people who suffer from appetite dysregulation due to genetics and emotional trauma who shouldn't have to wage an epic battle with their body to feel normal.

Re: Being fat is a trap

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post #34

Some people are going to ding him for including exercise, and it's true that the physical calorie expenditure of exercise won't achieve much for weight loss unless you make cycling a major hobby. However, I think exercise goes a long way towards loosening the mental trap. It helps you build an identity as a healthy person, it relieves the guilt about not taking care of yourself, and it takes the edge off of emotions…

There is also something to be said about doing exercise at a gym/class and seeing other healthy/fit people. It gives you practical evidence right in front of your eyes on how you COULD look. As well as likely becoming friends with people in those spaces that also have healthy habits. I have always found that motivation to be very strong.

Re: Being fat is a trap

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My one weird trick on this subject, as a person who enjoys sweets & a dessert, was to switch my late night sweets habit to fruit juice popsicles. Still super tasty and sweet, but generally I find them much lower in calories per satisfaction compared to other sweets. I really like these pineapple ones, although they vary in quality depending on where you are in the US; here in Florida they're fantastic but in California they're just okay: https://www.walmart.com/ip/Outshine-Pineapple-Frozen-Fruit-B...

Re: Being fat is a trap

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post #60
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Ok, but there's also an environmental (and one completely reasonable mental) factor: I live in a place where it is unpleasantly hot (upper 90s and humid) most of the year and there are few public outdoor spaces generally thanks to rampant overdevelopment, I hate gyms and toxic gym culture, I have a quaint bungalow that doesn't have space for equipment, I work an intense job that keeps me focused for hours at a time,…

> I live in a place where it is unpleasantly hot (upper 90s and humid) Work out in the early morning or late evening? > I hate gyms and toxic gym culture Stop hating gyms. Stop over-analyzing "toxic gym culture". Get off social media because that's the only place this exists. Nobody in the gym cares about you or what you're doing as long as you aren't harming someone else, breaking equipment, etc. > I have a quaint b…

> For sure. If you are surrounded by a bunch of obese people encouraging you to drink milkshakes all day and making fun of you for working out, that's going to be hard to overcome! But just like climate change, you can't control these social conditions, or at least you can't have much of an effect. But you can make a difference in your own life according to your own principles. Often times it just means being "less bad" instead of giving up.

Completely agree. I may nitpick a few of your responses, but I'm not saying that any of the factors I named make health impossible, only that it's exponentially more difficult because of the larger social context. And, similarly, I'm not saying the larger social context makes it impossible, but that it makes it _much_ harder than it needs to be for many people. (As evidence, I live in an area with very high obesity rates.)

I sort of knew when I posted that here, in particular, that the reaction would be to focus on the individual, because, well, HN. It's kind of a thing here. I'm also fascinated by the reaction that I must be fattie fat man who wants to make excuses and wait for others to fix my problem because I questioned whether mental fortitude is enough. The reality is that I was merely noting that there are larger contextual challenges that, taken together, make any individual's journey needlessly, inescapably harder than it should be.

Re: Being fat is a trap

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Cannabis made me lose 20kg in a short span (~2 months). But the main reason was extreme loss of appetite. I cooked normal and after 40% of a plate I was full. You do this for a few days and then you start changing your cooking habbits. This was a year ago and I've held the weight since and simply started eating less. My old eating habbits did not make me gain weight though as my old weight was constant for 10 years.…

Tea is a nice alternative to water, and I say this as someone who doesn't like most drinks other than water. There's a huge variety of tastes among green teas, white teas, oolong, black teas... Specific tea variety, different locations where the plants are grown, different manipulations, all concur to a lot of different tastes. However, a lot of people I've met just say it tastes like "earthy/dirty water"

A warm drink is something I hate. No tea/coffee for me. Ice tea is something I would still thin with 90% water + 10% ice tea
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