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Infomaniak comes out in support of controversial Swiss encryption law

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Re: Infomaniak comes out in support of controversial Swiss encryption law

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Post by conradfr »

nickslaughter02 wrote: post #43
api wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Iceland? It’s tough. The world is, overall, going through a shift toward authoritarianism of various flavors, and people are voting for it because of incredibly successful propaganda and fear of change.

going through a shift toward authoritarianism of various flavors It is the current establishment that is pushing for these laws. Switzerland and EU have proven you don't need authoritarianism to constantly attack privacy and security of people.

And a lot of decision in the EU are made by unelected people, great democracy.

Re: Infomaniak comes out in support of controversial Swiss encryption law

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Post by nickslaughter02 »

conradfr wrote: post #71
nickslaughter02 wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

going through a shift toward authoritarianism of various flavors It is the current establishment that is pushing for these laws. Switzerland and EU have proven you don't need authoritarianism to constantly attack privacy and security of people.

And a lot of decision in the EU are made by unelected people, great democracy.

Unelected and anonymous.

"EU Commission refuses to disclose authors behind its mass surveillance proposal" https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44168134

Re: Infomaniak comes out in support of controversial Swiss encryption law

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Post by conradfr »

zuppy wrote: post #31

That has been obvious to me after they requested me to upload my passport/id in order to unblock the newly paid and created account. But that happened only after the payment page, of course. I'm a little bitter, but for what I need it, I'll let it pass this time. edit: it is a business account, but I have never been asked for this anywhere else. you have all the company required data, all my required data, why do you…

I don't remember that for Infomaniak but certainly for Hetzner.

Re: Infomaniak comes out in support of controversial Swiss encryption law

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Post by pclmulqdq »

nickslaughter02 wrote: post #20

Nym, Threema and Proton said they would leave Switzerland over this. The question is where to go. Certainly not to any EU country (ProtectEU, Chat Control). https://www.techradar.com/vpn/vpn-privacy-security/we-would-...

Unfortunately, it appears the state that is the most cryptography-friendly and remains outside of the reach of US courts may be the UAE.

Re: Infomaniak comes out in support of controversial Swiss encryption law

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Post by fakeBeerDrinker »

Bengalilol wrote: post #28
ptero wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because historically it has never been done. The closest we got is when a group (religious or political) finds something most people somewhat agree with, declares it a universal value and proceeds to suppress, drive away or eliminate those evil people who do not share it. It is much better to define acceptable boundaries on actions and let people believe what they want if their actions do not violate those agreed on…

Switzerland is the oldest democracy in the world. Your comment certainly doesn't fit the way this country handles its citizens. There is the Law, the "what is tolerated" and what isn't. That's the "boundaries on actions". But any malicious mind won't bow down to those intentional principles.

I don’t believe that Switzerland is the oldest democracy in the world, but I could be mistaken. Iceland has had a democratic-ish parliament since the 900s[0].

[0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Althing

Re: Infomaniak comes out in support of controversial Swiss encryption law

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Post by nickslaughter02 »

pclmulqdq wrote: post #74
nickslaughter02 wrote: post #20

Nym, Threema and Proton said they would leave Switzerland over this. The question is where to go. Certainly not to any EU country (ProtectEU, Chat Control). https://www.techradar.com/vpn/vpn-privacy-security/we-would-...

Unfortunately, it appears the state that is the most cryptography-friendly and remains outside of the reach of US courts may be the UAE.

> In March 2015, the Dubai Police declared the usage of VPN (virtual private network) illegal, saying that "tampering with the internet is a crime". Although action may not be taken against an individual for simply using a VPN, the usage of VPN combined with other illegal acts would lead to additional charges.

> Popular instant messaging applications that remained blocked despite the removal of the ban on VoIP services included WhatsApp, FaceTime, and Skype. The selective relaxation of the ban narrowed down the user’s choice to premium (paid) services, owned by state-run telecommunication firms.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telecommunications_in_the_Unit...

Re: Infomaniak comes out in support of controversial Swiss encryption law

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Post by kovac »

Despite it's limitations on the UX side, PGP is still the better option for email privacy I think. That and using your own domain. There's tor for the web when one needs it. None of these are ideal, but they depend a lot less on trusting third parties.

Re: Infomaniak comes out in support of controversial Swiss encryption law

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Post by ldng »

RealStickman_ wrote: post #35

Well fuck, guess I'm moving all my domains again. And I just moved away from Gandi. Does anyone have recommendations for domain registrars that support .ch and .li domains and ideally also supported by lego (my current acme client of choice)?

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