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Re: Gemini-2.5-pro-preview-06-05

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Post by sysoleg » Fri, Jun 06, 2025, 9:13 AM UTC

HenriNext wrote: post #148

hu3 wrote: post #20

I pay for both ChatGPT Plus and Gemini Pro. I'm thinking of cancelling my ChatGPT subscription because I keep hitting rate limits. Meanwhile I have yet to hit any rate limit with Gemini/AI Studio.

AI Studio uses your API account behind the scenes, and it is subject to normal API limits. When you signup for AI Studio, it creates a Google Cloud free tier project with "gen-lang-client-" prefix behind the scenes. You can link a billing account at the bottom of the "get an api key page". Also note that AI studio via default free tier API access doesn't seem to fall within "commercial use" in Google's terms of servi…

> AI Studio uses your API account behind the scenes

This is not true for the Gemini 2.5 Pro Preview model, at least. Although this model API is not available on the Free Tier [1], you can still use it on AI Studio.

[1] https://ai.google.dev/gemini-api/docs/pricing

Re: Gemini-2.5-pro-preview-06-05

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Post by ZeroTalent » Fri, Jun 06, 2025, 9:24 AM UTC

johnfn wrote: post #34

laweijfmvo wrote: post #28

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because the plethora of models and versions is getting ridiculous, and for anyone who's not following LLM news daily, you have no clue what to use. There was never a "Google Search 2.6.4 04-13". You just went to google.com and searched.

Well, Google Search never released an API that millions of people depended on.

Yes, they did on Google Cloud:

"Custom Search JSON API: The primary solution offered by Google is the Custom Search JSON API. This API allows you to create a customized search engine that can search a collection of specified websites. While it's not a direct equivalent to a full-fledged Google Search API, it can be configured to search the entire web."

In my experience it's essentially the same as Google Search if configured properly.

Re: Gemini-2.5-pro-preview-06-05

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Post by Sammi » Fri, Jun 06, 2025, 10:01 AM UTC

layer8 wrote: post #54

tomComb wrote: post #21

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Since those days are ambiguous anyway, they would have had to hold off until the 13th. In Canada, a third of the dates we see are British, and another third are American, so it’s really confusing. Thankfully y-m-d is now a legal format and seems to be gaining ground.

> they would have had to hold off until the 13th. 06-06 is unambiguously after 05-06 regardless of date format.

The problems is that I mentally just panic and abort without even trying when I see 06-06 and 05-06. The ambiguity just flips my brain off.

Re: Gemini-2.5-pro-preview-06-05

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Post by wahnfrieden » Fri, Jun 06, 2025, 10:21 AM UTC

HDThoreaun wrote: post #191

jstummbillig wrote: post #166

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You are skipping over the part where you need to bring normal people, specially young normal people, back to google.com for them to see anything at all on google.com. Hundreds of millions of them don't go there anymore.

Is there evidence of this? Googles earnings are as strong as ever.

that's adsense

Re: Gemini-2.5-pro-preview-06-05

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Post by diggan » Fri, Jun 06, 2025, 10:39 AM UTC

geodel wrote: post #201

diggan wrote: post #151

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> OpenAI has to pay a monopolist for hardware acceleration and beholden to another tech giant for data centers. Don't they have a data center in progress as we speak? Seems by now they're planning on building not just one huge data center in Texas, but more in other countries too.

Well that data center is just going to be full of Nvidia GPUs hence "pay to monopolist" part.

Guess the part I put in quotes should have had a "or" instead of "and" there.

Re: Gemini-2.5-pro-preview-06-05

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Post by sumedh » Fri, Jun 06, 2025, 10:43 AM UTC

fallinditch wrote: post #176

As a Windsurf user I was happy with Claude 3.7 but then switched to Google Gemini 2.5 when Claude started glitching on a particularly large file. It's a bummer that 3.7 has gone from Windsurf - I considered cancelling my Windsurf subscription, but decided not to because it is still good value for money.

No models have gone from WindSurf.

Are you talking about Sonnet 4 which never came to Windsurf because Anthropic does not want to support OpenAI?

Re: Gemini-2.5-pro-preview-06-05

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Post by PeterStuer » Fri, Jun 06, 2025, 10:56 AM UTC

svachalek wrote: post #53

throwaway314155 wrote: post #46

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It's interesting you say that because o3, while being a considerable improvement over OpenAI's other models, still doesn't match the performance of Opus 4 and Gemini 2.5 Pro by a long shot for me. However, o3 resides in the ChatGPT app, which is still superior to the other chat apps in many ways, particularly the internet search implementation works very well.

If you're coding through chat apps you're really behind the times. Try an agent IDE or plugin.

Depends. For devops chat is quite nice as the exploration/understanding is key, not just writing out the configs.

Re: Gemini-2.5-pro-preview-06-05

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Post by 4d66ba06 » Fri, Jun 06, 2025, 11:47 AM UTC

kisamoto wrote: post #204

Amateur question, how are people using this for coding? Direct chat and copy pasting code? Seems clunky. Or manually switching in cursor? Although is extra cost and not required for a lot of tasks where Cursor tab is faster and good enough. So need to opt in on demand. Cline + open router in VSCode? Something else?

Consider taking a look at Zed, it can use Gemini with an API key and has an agentic “write” mode if you don’t want to copy and paste.

Re: Gemini-2.5-pro-preview-06-05

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Post by BDivyesh » Fri, Jun 06, 2025, 11:48 AM UTC

It depends on where and how you use it, I only use the gemini pro model on aistudio, and set the temperature to 0.05 or 0.1 in rare cases I bump it to 0.3 if I need some frontend creativity, it still isn't impressive, I see that claude is still far better, o4-mini-high too. When it comes to o3 I despise it, despite being ranked very high on benchmarks, the best version of it is only available through api.

Re: Gemini-2.5-pro-preview-06-05

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Post by jstummbillig » Fri, Jun 06, 2025, 11:52 AM UTC

ComplexSystems wrote: post #186

jstummbillig wrote: post #155

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There is some serious confusion about the strength of OpenAIs position. "chatgpt" is a verb. People have no idea what claude or gemini are, and they will not be interested in it, unless something absolutely fantastic happens. Being a little better will do absolutely nothing to convince normal people to change product (the little moat that ChatGPT has simply by virtue of chat history is probably enough from a convenie…

"People have no idea what claude or gemini are" One well-placed ad campaign could easily change all that. Doesn't hurt that Google can bundle Gemini into Android.

If it were that simple to sway markets through marketing, we would see Pepsi/Coca-Cola or McDonalds/BurgerKing swing like crazy all the time from "one well-placed ad campaign" to the next. We do not.