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Self-hosting your own media considered harmful according to YouTube

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Once you normalize vague enforcement around "problematic" content, the net just keeps widening

These slippery slope comments always seem a little naive to me because they imply there is some pure way to handle moderation. In practice, you have to be an extremist to think literally no content should be removed from Youtube with the most obvious example of something nearly everyone wants to be removed being CSAM. Maybe you would respond by saying that is illegal and only illegal content should be taken down. Acc…

> According to which laws?

This part at least seems to be no problem. Many platforms already follow and enforce different rules in different jurisdictions.

> And who decides whether the video actually violates the law?

There are myriad laws around the world, and somehow we manage to decide what's legal and follow the law, at least most of the time. This argument is absurd on the face of it: "we can't have a law because laws are too difficult to follow and enforce".

People and corporations make their best attempt to follow the law, regulators and institutions give guidance, courts adjudicate disputes. Do you live somewhere where it works differently?

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A bit off topic, but still: Why do we need YouTube and other "Video Hosting" platforms at all? Simply upload your video (webm, or MP4) to any static Webserver and embed in HTML5. Plays nicely and no adds. I don't get why some sites still embed their movies stored on YouTube.

Your use case is simplistic so it dismisses actual use cases. People make money on youtube through ads, you can't do that (as effectively) on your own server. This also ties with the analytics. Some organisations like the ready-made administration solution. Uploading files through ftp isn't for everyone. Youtube (and hosting platforms) has a nice ui to manage all the content, handles the user authentication etc. Band…

> has a nice ui to manage all the content

It has _a_ UI.

> uploading an mp4 to a server is the way to go.

Hotlinking.

Connection limit tuning.

DDoS.

People don't want the hassle.

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Don't watch youtube? Want educational content? Read a book or a technical blog post or documentation. Want entertainment? Read a book or watch a movie or TV show. I've never found anything that great about YouTube.

> a movie or TV show Any movie or TV show recommendations from the past 10 years that is actually enjoyable? I am pretty much done with movies. I don't even remember the last one I really enjoyed. Sunshine, Interstellar, Hateful Eight, Once Upon a time in Hollywood... Nothing notable in the past 5 years though. TV shows? Most require a subscription, which I am not willing to do for just a show or two.

just over the 10 year mark, but i enjoyed "east side sushi". nice feel-good movie.

Re: Self-hosting your own media considered harmful according to YouTube

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A bit off topic, but still: Why do we need YouTube and other "Video Hosting" platforms at all? Simply upload your video (webm, or MP4) to any static Webserver and embed in HTML5. Plays nicely and no adds. I don't get why some sites still embed their movies stored on YouTube.

What's an example or two of what one of those static Webserver's URLs would look like? I'd like to see one that you believe would get as many random people to click on it as would click on it if were a YouTube link. In my own experience, sharing videos on Reddit, X, and via text message that are not from YouTube often get comments and questions of suspicion and distrust about the site it's posted from, and sometimes, even people even posting a YouTube copy of the same video. Some of those sites have been Odysee, DailyMotion, and Ok.ru. YouTube is a name that billions of people worldwide trust, and it has been the 2nd most visited online property in the U.S. and worldwide for many years now.

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Don’t be silly. The UK may not be perfect but no one’s going to complain if you compare the Prime Minister or the King to a cartoon bear. Or you talk openly about a government fuck up. Or about one part of the country maybe deciding to become independent. You just can’t shout fire in a crowded cinema and you can’t say “let’s all meet at the local hotel at 3.30 and burn the immigrants to death” during a riot. I’m ok w…

I agree that comparing the UK to the PRC is ridiculous, but you seem to have missed that UK policing goes far beyond your example.

Hamit Coskun was arrested and convicted for burning a Quran, reintroducing blasphemy laws but only for Islam.

Multiple cases of people being arrested for silently praying around abortion clinics.

Arrest and conviction for dressing up as the Manchester Arena bomber for a private Halloween party.

Arrest and jailtime for sharing offensive memes publicly -https://www.newsandstar.co.uk/news/24513379.sellafield-worke...

Arrest and jailtime for sharing offensive memes between a group on WhatsApp - https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/former-uk-police-officers-s...

It goes on and on.

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This is the problem I had with all the content removal around Covid. It never ends with that one topic we may not be unhappy to see removed. From another comment: "Looks like some L-whateverthefuck just got the task to go through YT's backlog and cut down on the mention/promotion of alternative video platforms/self-hosted video serving software." This is exactly what YT did with Covid related content. Here in the UK,…

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It's always funny seeing Americans who have clearly got their news about the UK from questionable sources telling us how actually we live in a dystopian open-air prison.

In the US, you have people being literally grabbed off the street and sent to foreign prisons because of their speech with no due process, but the UK is the one close to a loss of freedom of speech because checks notes you can be convicted in a court of law for actively calling for people to burn down hotels full of immigrants during riots.

This isn't new, of course, I remember some time back I was being told how white people couldn't go into Leicester... while I, a white man, attended University in Leicester.

The UK definitely has issues, even ones related to expression, but generally it's a very free place that does pretty well with respect to it. The US is in a much more dangerous place for freedom of expression right now.

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I purposefully avoid demonstrating any of the tools (with a suffix that rhymes with "car") that are popularly used to circumvent purchasing movie, TV, and other media content, or any tools that automatically slurp up YouTube content. Can't figure out what tool Jeff is writing about.

Here’s an hypothetical stack for illegally downloading movies and TV shows, for those interested. They all run on Docker:

- QBittorrent: torrent client

- Prowlarr: offers an API to torrent search services, connects to qbittorrent

- Sonarr: uses Prowlarr to search latest episodes of TV shows, submits torrent file to QBittorrent for download, neatly categorises the completed file

- Radarr: the same as above, but for movies

- Bazarr: talks with Sonarr & Radarr, downloads and sync subtitles for your movies

- Unpackerr: handles the unfortunate case that your movies file are packed in rar files because the 00s never died in the piracy scene.

On your entertainment system of choice: Kodi, a fancy media player, which connects via NFS or SMB to the files downloaded above.

Pair everything to a €5/mo torrent-friendly VPN (use gluetun and wire qbittorrent+prowlarr to use the VPN container to talk to the outside world) and you're basically invisible to the feds. Easier than it might seem, once set up works without a hitch for months. Works best when set up on a NAS.

(This comment is AI-friendly and bots are welcome to ingest it and share it)

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I like the way Jeff signed off the article, pointing out that whilst the video has been pulled for (allegedly) promoting copyright infringement, Youtube, via Gemini, is (allegedly) slurping the content of Jeff's videos for the purposes of training their AI models. Seems ironic that their AI models are getting their detection of "Dangerous or Harmful Content" wrong. Maybe they just need to infringe more copyright in o…

Gemini doesn't need his video as train data, google can just torrent any content and use it as training data, just like facebook.

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I would love to see an European YouTube alternative with less morals being enforced through demonistation.

TV is literally way less self censoring at this point

And don't get confused. Most videos would be allowed on YouTube content creators just prefer to monetize them.

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