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Self-hosting your own media considered harmful according to YouTube

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Re: Self-hosting your own media considered harmful according to YouTube

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> In that case, I was happy to see my appeal granted within an hour of the strike being placed on the channel. (Nevermind the fact the video had been live for over two years at that point, with nary a problem!) Looks like some L-(5|6|whateverthefuck) just got the task to go through YT's backlog and cut down on the mention/promotion of alternative video platforms/self-hosted video serving software. Quick appeal grant…

> L-whateverthefuck LM

If LLMs are already doing this, engineers are cooked.

I don't think this is a job that requires an LLM but if an LLM took the order, made the plan to go through the relevant data(bases|lakes|platforms) and triggered the warnings, etc. I'd be very impressed.

Re: Self-hosting your own media considered harmful according to YouTube

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> In that case, I was happy to see my appeal granted within an hour of the strike being placed on the channel. (Nevermind the fact the video had been live for over two years at that point, with nary a problem!) Looks like some L-(5|6|whateverthefuck) just got the task to go through YT's backlog and cut down on the mention/promotion of alternative video platforms/self-hosted video serving software. Quick appeal grant…

> Is it even possible at this point given that YouTube garners so many eyeballs and is just so easy?

The big problem is that someone will download your video and upload it to YouTube if you do not. Often while monetizing it until you stomp on them.

The only things that will break YouTube hegemony (spelled that hegemoney originally ... talk about a typo) are either an anti-trust action or a successful copyright infringement lawsuit from someone other than a BigCorp.

Re: Self-hosting your own media considered harmful according to YouTube

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> In that case, I was happy to see my appeal granted within an hour of the strike being placed on the channel. (Nevermind the fact the video had been live for over two years at that point, with nary a problem!) Looks like some L-(5|6|whateverthefuck) just got the task to go through YT's backlog and cut down on the mention/promotion of alternative video platforms/self-hosted video serving software. Quick appeal grant…

Based on my observations over the past decade of similar stories on HN, nothing will change, the squeeze will simply continue. It's because we only hear of incidents in isolation from each other when the giants that abuse their platforms - most often the stories are from apple, google, amazon - take something down that didn't suit their revenue streams even if it's by vague interpretations AND someone with enough of…

> Based on my observations over the past decade of similar stories on HN, nothing will change, the squeeze will simply continue.

I do agree here, but sometimes (let's say 10% of the time? less?) the squeeze does not continue -- see Apple. Perplexity/ChatGPT vs Google search right now.

> The rest of us, the unwashed users of the platform, do not hear about it or act upon it en masse. We'll occasionally see a post like this on HN or Reddit, shake our heads and call it a shame, there need to be alternatives and so on, then go right back into those platforms and forget that something happened but a few months later

Yup, wish I could add "- posted from Chrome browser" to my own response here but I use Firefox. I'm still going to watch YouTube.

I think the thing that might bring hope is that Google/YouTube doesn't actualy own the new paradigm of AI -- I can very much imagine a world where people just ask for videos/scroll through them, and YouTube isn't the site they do it on (in fact they don't do it on a "site", per say).

But then again, that's really calling for the death/dramatic reduction of the open/surfable internet. Is that what it takes?

Re: Self-hosting your own media considered harmful according to YouTube

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> In that case, I was happy to see my appeal granted within an hour of the strike being placed on the channel. (Nevermind the fact the video had been live for over two years at that point, with nary a problem!) Looks like some L-(5|6|whateverthefuck) just got the task to go through YT's backlog and cut down on the mention/promotion of alternative video platforms/self-hosted video serving software. Quick appeal grant…

> L-whateverthefuck LM

I was thinking Lawyer.

Re: Self-hosting your own media considered harmful according to YouTube

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Don't watch youtube? Want educational content? Read a book or a technical blog post or documentation. Want entertainment? Read a book or watch a movie or TV show. I've never found anything that great about YouTube.

30 years of playing the piano and listening to all kinds of music and harmony never really clicked with me even after studying music theory. But watching YouTube videos made an instant impact. YouTube is a distracting mess full of doom scroll bait but if you have never found anything useful on YouTube, you haven't been looking very hard.

Would you mind sharing the videos that helped music click? Thank you!

Re: Self-hosting your own media considered harmful according to YouTube

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There was a recent drama in the drum'n'bass community because someone kept claiming they owned the rights to music that wasn't actually theres, resulting in some classic dnb music from the 90s by Peshay repeatedly being taken down from YouTube. It's utterly ridiculous how trivially bad actors can wreak havoc like this.

Re: Self-hosting your own media considered harmful according to YouTube

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> In that case, I was happy to see my appeal granted within an hour of the strike being placed on the channel. (Nevermind the fact the video had been live for over two years at that point, with nary a problem!) Looks like some L-(5|6|whateverthefuck) just got the task to go through YT's backlog and cut down on the mention/promotion of alternative video platforms/self-hosted video serving software. Quick appeal grant…

There's peertube and Pixelfed and someone was working on an activitypub version of Instagram, but really it's like Pixelfed but more ergonomic for video. So the next stage, ideally, would be everyone kinda sharing hosting responsibilities, and if you like a creator, you just follow them. This has the benefit of possibly caching/mirroring all the videos, too. My Fediverse server was chewing through disk, one of the re…

> There's peertube and Pixelfed and someone was working on an activitypub version of Instagram, but really it's like Pixelfed but more ergonomic for video.

> it's like Pixelfed but more ergonomic for video.

This is a huge problem IMO. Just like Mastodon/Bluesky (which seems to be working recently) and all these other things, the tech and experience need to be SUPER easy. I mean as-easy-or-easier than YouTube, etc for people to switch en masse.

> So the next stage, ideally, would be everyone kinda sharing hosting responsibilities, and if you like a creator, you just follow them. This has the benefit of possibly caching/mirroring all the videos, too. My Fediverse server was chewing through disk, one of the reasons I shut it down - but I was following 1400 news and journalist accounts, plus my ~100 or so gang of idiots. I was nearing 1TB on disk after about 16 months on my essentially single user instance.

Yeah the problem is people won't do this/can't be expected to do this, unless it's drop dead easy.

Really appreciate hearing about your point on the scaling curve for this tech though, clearly the tech has come really far, that sounds like much more than the average person and "only" 1TB and a single server is quite nice.

The best ever approach I have seen to this is PopcornTime. It took the world by storm (and IIRC people still use it/ it still exists in some form, they're just lower profile now), and it worked better the more people used it, because torrents (aka, the technology being a mature, perfect match for the usecase).

> I exported my follows and moved to an acquaintance's server and imported, the owner doesn't even blink. Who knows what they've got going for storage. > > Anyhow if you don't need to follow 1500 people, this becomes tractable. If it gets popular, someone will post how to cron the multimedia stuff to compress it as it ages, moving it to cold storage, whatever.

I could see this working if that acquaintance got paid for this. Tying money as an incentive to things is sometimes bad/not what you want, but having people think of computers and compute as an asset/tool for them to use is a step in the right direction IMO.

I'm not a crypto person (kind of wish I was, 10 years ago), but Filecoin was really interesting originally to me because it just made sense. The marketplace of data storage seems like something that could be easily democratized in this way (no need for the crypto bits, but the ease of payment was a legitimate use IMO).

Re: Self-hosting your own media considered harmful according to YouTube

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Every piece of content in my media library was paid for/legally acquired. I go through some stupid lengths (probably a few thousand hours of my life by now, from buying media from eBay, old library collections, closed movie stores, then ripping everything) to make it so.

I have so many dvds... so many. i have 5 Vaultz cases full, plus a bunch of 4 per flipped page "CD wallets" that friends have given me over the years. Plus box sets of entire runs of stuff like NYPD Blue, Quantum Leap, Batman, Ghostbusters, Law and Order, Buffy, Firefly, Seinfeld... I must have well over 1000 dvds by this point, and maybe 1/4th are on my NAS and available through VLC on amazon firestick, android, whatever. I got sick of kodi taking 5+ minutes to boot and be ready to play files, and intermittent networking issues. spent like $70 on an android TV box and a firestick and that solved that. Kid watches beakman, bill nye, bob ross, invader zim.

If you're patient and know the places media hoarders haunt, you can find dvds for pennies on the dollar. I'm sad all three pawn shops near me closed, because i picked up so much media at those places. There's a couple of other places that have used media, so i started going there 2 or 3 times a year.

I have banker boxes full of Audio CDs in jewel cases in an air conditioned shed. At some point streaming is going to be either so full of ads you may as well just get siriusXM and not have to deal with spotify anymore for audio, and you'll need $300 worth of streaming to keep up with the new hotness in television and moopies. Or, you can be like us, and keep the old stuff alive, and watch that, and discuss that.

You might find the older stuff doesn't make you feel bad, doesn't give you a headache, and will just feel like "home".

I pre-gamed this whole "AI content creation" ramp-up by decades.

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