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Re: Gemini-2.5-pro-preview-06-05

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Post by HDThoreaun »

jstummbillig wrote: post #166
aeyes wrote: post #157

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google has a text input box on google.com, as soon as this gives similar responses there is no need for the average user to use ChatGPT anymore. I already see lots of normal people share screenshots of the AI Overview responses.

You are skipping over the part where you need to bring normal people, specially young normal people, back to google.com for them to see anything at all on google.com. Hundreds of millions of them don't go there anymore.

Is there evidence of this? Googles earnings are as strong as ever.

Re: Gemini-2.5-pro-preview-06-05

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Post by koakuma-chan »

koakuma-chan wrote: post #192
simianwords wrote: post #117

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True but it’s greyed out. Not sure if this is “deep think”

I can set its thinking budget to 32k, that probably is deep think

Oh nevermind, you need to buy Gemini Ultra to access that https://one.google.com/ai?g1_landing_page=75

Re: Gemini-2.5-pro-preview-06-05

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Post by paxys »

aeyes wrote: post #157
jstummbillig wrote: post #155

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There is some serious confusion about the strength of OpenAIs position. "chatgpt" is a verb. People have no idea what claude or gemini are, and they will not be interested in it, unless something absolutely fantastic happens. Being a little better will do absolutely nothing to convince normal people to change product (the little moat that ChatGPT has simply by virtue of chat history is probably enough from a convenie…

Google has a text input box on google.com, as soon as this gives similar responses there is no need for the average user to use ChatGPT anymore. I already see lots of normal people share screenshots of the AI Overview responses.

> as soon as this gives similar responses

And when is that going to be? Google clearly has the ability to convert google.com into a ChatGPT clone today if they wanted to. They already have a state of the art model. They have a dozen different AI assistants that no one uses. They have a pointless AI summary on top of search results that returns garbage data 99% of the time. It's been 3+ years and it is clear now that the company is simply too scared to rock the boat and disrupt its search revenue. There is zero appetite for risk, and soon it'll be too late to act.

Re: Gemini-2.5-pro-preview-06-05

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Post by chollida1 »

jstummbillig wrote: post #155
chollida1 wrote: post #64

I'd start to worry about OpenAI, from a valuation standpoint. The company has some serious competition now and is arguably no longer the leader. its going to be interesting to see how easily they can raise more money. Their valuation is already in the $300B range. How much larger can it get given their relatively paltry revenue at the moment and increasingly rising costs for hardware and electricity. If the next gene…

There is some serious confusion about the strength of OpenAIs position. "chatgpt" is a verb. People have no idea what claude or gemini are, and they will not be interested in it, unless something absolutely fantastic happens. Being a little better will do absolutely nothing to convince normal people to change product (the little moat that ChatGPT has simply by virtue of chat history is probably enough from a convenie…

Chatgpt has no moat of any kind though.

I can switch tomorrow to use gemini or grok or any other llm, and I have, with zero switching cost.

That means one stumble on the next foundational model and their market share drops in half in like 2 months.

Now the same is true for the other llms as well.

Re: Gemini-2.5-pro-preview-06-05

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Post by orionsbelt »

ed_mercer wrote: post #170
orionsbelt wrote: post #134

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I think it’s too early to say they are not the leader given they have o3 pro and GPT 5 coming out within the next month or two. Only if those are not impressive would I start to consider that they have lost their edge. Although it does feel likely that at minimum, they are neck and neck with Google and others.

Source for gpt 5 coming out soon?

https://www.reddit.com/r/singularity/comments/1l1fi7a/gpt5_i...

There’s been other stuff from Sam Altman that puts it around this summer, so even if it gets delayed past July, it seems pretty clear it’s coming within the next few months.

Re: Gemini-2.5-pro-preview-06-05

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Post by InTheArena »

RIght now, the claude code tooling and ChatGPT codex are far better then anything else I have seen for massive code development. Is there a better option out there with Gemini at the heart of it? I noticed the command line codex might support it.

Re: Gemini-2.5-pro-preview-06-05

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Post by bufferoverflow »

jadbox wrote: post #81
chollida1 wrote: post #64

I'd start to worry about OpenAI, from a valuation standpoint. The company has some serious competition now and is arguably no longer the leader. its going to be interesting to see how easily they can raise more money. Their valuation is already in the $300B range. How much larger can it get given their relatively paltry revenue at the moment and increasingly rising costs for hardware and electricity. If the next gene…

Currently I only find OpenAI to be clearly better for image generation: like illustrations, comics, or photo editing for home project ideation.

And open-source Flux.1 Kontext is already better than it.

Re: Gemini-2.5-pro-preview-06-05

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Post by joshmlewis »

jonplackett wrote: post #178
joshmlewis wrote: post #42

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o3 is still my favorite over even Opus 4 in most cases. I've spent hundreds of dollars on AI code gen tools in the last month alone and my ranking is: 1. o3 - it's just really damn good at nuance, getting to the core of the goal, and writing the closest thing to quality production level code. The only negative is it's cutoff window and cost, especially with it's love of tools. That's not usually a big deal for the Ra…

How do you find o3 vs o4-mini?

For coding at least, I don't bother with anything less than the top thinking models. They do have their place for some tasks in agentic systems but time is money and I don't want to waste time trying to coral less skilled models when there are more powerful ones available.
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