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Re: Gemini-2.5-pro-preview-06-05

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Post by hirako2000 »

throwaway314155 wrote: post #129
svachalek wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you're coding through chat apps you're really behind the times. Try an agent IDE or plugin.

I think this is debatable. But I've used Cursor and various extensions for VS Code. They're all fine (but cursor can fuck all the way off for stealing the `code` shell integration from VS Code) but you don't _need_ an IDE as Claude Code has shown us (currently my primary method of vibe coding). It's mostly about the cost though. Things are far more affordable in the the various apps/subscriptions. Token-priced API's…

We are trading tokens and mental health for time?

I used Cursor well over a year ago. It gave me a headache. It was very immature. Used cursor more recently: the headache intensity increased. It's not cursor it is the senseless loops hoping for the LLM to spit out something somewhat correct. Revisiting the prompt. Trying to become an elite in language protocols because we need that machine to understand us.

Leaving aside the headache, its side effects. It isn't clear we haven't already maxed out on the productivity tools efficiency. Auto complete. Indexed and searchable doc a second screen rather than having to turn the pages of some reference book. Etc etc.

I'm convinced at this stage that we've already started to trade too far. So far beyond the optimal balance that these aren't diminishing returns. It is absolute diminishing.

Engineers need to spend more time thinking.

I'm convinced that engineers, if they were to chose, would throw this thing out and make space for more drawing boards, would use a 5 minute Solitaire break every 1h. Or take a walk.

For some reason the constant pressure to go faster eventually makes its mark.

It feels right to see thousands of lines of code written up by this thing. It feels aligned with the inadequate way we've been measured.

Anyway. It can get expensive and this is by design.

Re: Gemini-2.5-pro-preview-06-05

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Post by sigmoid10 »

Oleksa_dr wrote: post #165
chollida1 wrote: post #64

I'd start to worry about OpenAI, from a valuation standpoint. The company has some serious competition now and is arguably no longer the leader. its going to be interesting to see how easily they can raise more money. Their valuation is already in the $300B range. How much larger can it get given their relatively paltry revenue at the moment and increasingly rising costs for hardware and electricity. If the next gene…

I was tempted by the ratings and immediately paid for a subscription to Gemini 2.5. Half an hour later, I canceled the subscription and got a refund. This is the laziest and stupidest LLM. What he had to do, he told me to do on my own. And also when analyzing simple short documents, he pulled up some completely strange documents from the Internet not related to the topic. Even local LLMs (3B) were not so stupid and l…

Exactly my experience as well. I don't get why people here now seem to blindly take every new gamed benchmark as some harbinger of OpenAI's imminent downfall. Google is still way behind in day-to day personal and professional use for me.

Re: Gemini-2.5-pro-preview-06-05

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Post by lexandstuff »

consumer451 wrote: post #133

Man, if the benchmarks are to be believed, this is a lifeline for Windsurf as Anthropic becomes less and less friendly. However, in my personal experience Sonnet 3.x has still been king so far. Will be interesting to watch this unfold. At this point, it's still looking grim for Windsurf.

Well, they just had a $3B exit, so not that grim, all things considered.

Re: Gemini-2.5-pro-preview-06-05

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Post by symbolicAGI »

sunshinerag wrote: post #147
joshmlewis wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have the Max $200 plan so I set it to Opus until it limits me to Sonnet 4 which has only happened in two out of a few dozen sessions so far. My rule of thumb in Cursor is it's worth paying for the Max reasoning models for pretty much every request unless it's stupid simple because it produces the best code each time without any funny business you get with cheaper models.

You can use the max plan in cursor? I thought it didn’t support calls via api and only worked in Claude code?

I launch Claude Code in VS Studio (similar to Cursor): > claude

Then I use the /login command that opens a browser window to log into Claude Max.

You can confirm Claude Max billing going forward in VS Studio/Claude Code: /cost

"With your Claude Max subscription, no need to monitor cost — your subscription includes Claude Code usage"

Re: Gemini-2.5-pro-preview-06-05

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Post by jona777than »

joshmlewis wrote: post #60
svachalek wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you're coding through chat apps you're really behind the times. Try an agent IDE or plugin.

Yeah, exactly. For everyone who might not know, the chat apps add lots of complex system prompting to handle and shape personality, tone, general usability, etc. IDE's also do this (with Claude Code being one of the ones that are closest to "bare" model that you can get) but at they are at least guiding it's behavior to be really good at coding tasks. Another reason is using the Agent feature that IDE's have had for…

This has been my experience. It has been something I’ve had to settle into. After some reps, it is becoming more difficult to imagine going back to regular old non-assisted coding sessions that aren’t purely for hobby.

Your model rankings are spot on. I’m hesitant to make the jump to top tier premium models as daily drivers, so I hang out with sonnet 4 and/or Gemini 2.5 pro for most of the day (max mode in Cursor). I don’t want to get used to premium quality coming that easy, for some reason. I completely align with the concise, thoughtful code being worth it though. I’m having to do that myself using tier 2 models. I still use o3 periodically for getting clarity of thought or troubleshooting gnarly bugs that Claude gets caught looping on.

How would you compare Cursor to Claude Code? I’m yet to try the latter.

Re: Gemini-2.5-pro-preview-06-05

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Post by ComplexSystems »

jstummbillig wrote: post #155
chollida1 wrote: post #64

I'd start to worry about OpenAI, from a valuation standpoint. The company has some serious competition now and is arguably no longer the leader. its going to be interesting to see how easily they can raise more money. Their valuation is already in the $300B range. How much larger can it get given their relatively paltry revenue at the moment and increasingly rising costs for hardware and electricity. If the next gene…

There is some serious confusion about the strength of OpenAIs position. "chatgpt" is a verb. People have no idea what claude or gemini are, and they will not be interested in it, unless something absolutely fantastic happens. Being a little better will do absolutely nothing to convince normal people to change product (the little moat that ChatGPT has simply by virtue of chat history is probably enough from a convenie…

"People have no idea what claude or gemini are"

One well-placed ad campaign could easily change all that. Doesn't hurt that Google can bundle Gemini into Android.

Re: Gemini-2.5-pro-preview-06-05

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Post by throwaway314155 »

hirako2000 wrote: post #181
throwaway314155 wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think this is debatable. But I've used Cursor and various extensions for VS Code. They're all fine (but cursor can fuck all the way off for stealing the `code` shell integration from VS Code) but you don't _need_ an IDE as Claude Code has shown us (currently my primary method of vibe coding). It's mostly about the cost though. Things are far more affordable in the the various apps/subscriptions. Token-priced API's…

We are trading tokens and mental health for time? I used Cursor well over a year ago. It gave me a headache. It was very immature. Used cursor more recently: the headache intensity increased. It's not cursor it is the senseless loops hoping for the LLM to spit out something somewhat correct. Revisiting the prompt. Trying to become an elite in language protocols because we need that machine to understand us. Leaving a…

> We are trading tokens and mental health for time?

I have bipolar disorder. This makes programming incredibly difficult for me at times. Almost all the recent improvements to code generation tooling have been a tremendous boon for me. Coding is now no longer this test of how frustrated I can get over the most trivial of tasks. I just ask for what I want precisely and treat responses like a GitHub PR where mistakes may occur. In general (and for the trivial tasks I'm describing) Claude Code will generate correct, good code (I inform it very precisely of the style I want, and tell it to use linters/type-checkers/formatters after making changes) on the first attempt. No corrections needed.

tl;dr - It's been nothing but a boon for this particular mentally ill person.

Re: Gemini-2.5-pro-preview-06-05

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Post by jml78 »

spaceman_2020 wrote: post #76
joshmlewis wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

o3 is still my favorite over even Opus 4 in most cases. I've spent hundreds of dollars on AI code gen tools in the last month alone and my ranking is: 1. o3 - it's just really damn good at nuance, getting to the core of the goal, and writing the closest thing to quality production level code. The only negative is it's cutoff window and cost, especially with it's love of tools. That's not usually a big deal for the Ra…

I use o3 a lot for basic research and analysis. I also find the deep research tool really useful for even basic shopping research Like just today, it made a list of toys for my toddler that fit her developmental stage and play style. Would have taken me 1-2 hrs of browsing multiple websites otherwise

Gemini deep research runs circles around OpenAI deep research. It goes way deeper and uses way more sources.

Re: Gemini-2.5-pro-preview-06-05

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Post by consumer451 »

lexandstuff wrote: post #183
consumer451 wrote: post #133

Man, if the benchmarks are to be believed, this is a lifeline for Windsurf as Anthropic becomes less and less friendly. However, in my personal experience Sonnet 3.x has still been king so far. Will be interesting to watch this unfold. At this point, it's still looking grim for Windsurf.

Well, they just had a $3B exit, so not that grim, all things considered.

Yeah, true.. but I just meant for users/user growth. Even if not completely warranted, users in their subreddit are upset that they don't have access to Sonnet 4.

With the Claude Max development, non-vibing users seem to be going to Claude Code. This makes me think that maybe Cursor should have taken an exit, cause Claude Code is gonna eat everyone's lunch?

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