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Re: Man kicked off flight by pilot for wearing anti-TSA shirt

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I don't see why pilots need to have the power to boot passengers. At all. That's why TSA supposedly exists. Racist objections from passengers should not be able to lead to other passengers getting booted from flights.

It's because when the plane pushes back from the gate, the pilot is in charge and is responsible for the safety of everyone aboard. Much like how a captain at sea is responsible for everyone on board his ship (and is held accountable should tragedy strike). It's not a republic or democracy when you're on his plane. What he says, goes.

This isn't even about safety. It's the pilot's job (if he wants to keep it) to make the passengers as comfortable as possible also. That's why they dodge turbulence. Except in extreme cases, it has nothing to do with safety.

Re: Man kicked off flight by pilot for wearing anti-TSA shirt

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While, I understand on principle why he thinks he should be allowed to fly wearing any political statement he wishes - it's the kind of principle I had when I was less than 30. Nowadays, I completely understand and appreciate why passengers don't want to fly on a plane with someone who was wearing a shirt that had the phrases, "Moisture BOMBS", "Terrorists gonna kill us all", "Alert Level Blood Red." At a certain poi…

> In the future - perhaps different attire might be considered before boarding a plane. In the not too distant future: Don't wear attire supporting political party X if you plan to leave your house.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slippery_slope#As_a_fallacy

Re: Man kicked off flight by pilot for wearing anti-TSA shirt

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post #16
post #3

I don't see why pilots need to have the power to boot passengers. At all. That's why TSA supposedly exists. Racist objections from passengers should not be able to lead to other passengers getting booted from flights.

It's because when the plane pushes back from the gate, the pilot is in charge and is responsible for the safety of everyone aboard. Much like how a captain at sea is responsible for everyone on board his ship (and is held accountable should tragedy strike). It's not a republic or democracy when you're on his plane. What he says, goes.

That's not a why. That's just you stating the fact, and it's non-responsive to my question.

In this case, the plane had not pushed back from the gate. The pilot kicked this guy off before the flight. I think it's reasonable to ask why a random, unjustified passenger complaint to the pilot should override the TSA's screening process.

Re: Man kicked off flight by pilot for wearing anti-TSA shirt

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His point isn't particularly controversial, air security has gone too far. But he was looking for trouble by wearing that shirt, in his words mocking the "over-reactions to terrorism by the general public". He comes off as an angry person who doesn't sympathize with the genuine (and obvious) fears people may have. Ultimately he weakens his own point by acting so ridiculous; he gave the TSA and Delta a reason to mess…

You can wear the shirt, but you can't be surprised when they single you out for more security checks. (Recognition and response to specific potential threats is what critics of "security theater" want, anyway.)

Once you get the check, which was not unexpected, you should expect that if you are perceived as smarting off, then the situation will get worse. Since they have all the power, it can get arbitrarily bad.

Given that this could have been foreseen, expressions of surprise and incredulity in the post don't make sense.

There is a place for this kind of protest. But if you want to advance the cause of freedom of expression, you have to be disciplined when the process you helped start starts unfolding. Do you have a strategy in this protest, or are you acting out feelings about authority figures?

If you're just acting out feelings, you're playing into their hands. The guard will be "stern daddy" (he took this job to play that role) and you will be "misunderstood child." Everyone cries in the end, but nothing changes.

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I went to a how-to on public protests ran by an AIDS activist who was one of the key organizers of many ACT-UP protests in NYC in the late 80s. The particular protest that he discussed was the 1989 demonstration in St. Patrick's Cathedral in NYC, which made the national news, and has been a touchstone since (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIDS_Coalition_to_Unleash_Power...).

According to the activist, this was a protest in which the personal feelings/animosity of many activists there towards the church, made the entire action not as productive as it should have been, and just generally a messy affair. (Protesters breaking communion wafers, etc. -- means nothing to me, but to a believer, it's a big deal.)

It's a complex topic. I came out of the workshop with a greater appreciation of how much focus and discipline it takes to really bring about change.

Re: Man kicked off flight by pilot for wearing anti-TSA shirt

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His point isn't particularly controversial, air security has gone too far. But he was looking for trouble by wearing that shirt, in his words mocking the "over-reactions to terrorism by the general public". He comes off as an angry person who doesn't sympathize with the genuine (and obvious) fears people may have. Ultimately he weakens his own point by acting so ridiculous; he gave the TSA and Delta a reason to mess…

> he gave the TSA a reason to mess with him. So much for free speech.

There's a time and a place for everything, including speaking freely. As another example, the time to be vocal about your disagreement with someone's policies is not by picketing their funeral.

Re: Man kicked off flight by pilot for wearing anti-TSA shirt

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post #16
post #3

I don't see why pilots need to have the power to boot passengers. At all. That's why TSA supposedly exists. Racist objections from passengers should not be able to lead to other passengers getting booted from flights.

It's because when the plane pushes back from the gate, the pilot is in charge and is responsible for the safety of everyone aboard. Much like how a captain at sea is responsible for everyone on board his ship (and is held accountable should tragedy strike). It's not a republic or democracy when you're on his plane. What he says, goes.

While agreeing with that, Delta should still be held responsible for getting him to his destination on a reasonable schedule, the costs of his accommodations, and his and his wife's wasted time.

Re: Man kicked off flight by pilot for wearing anti-TSA shirt

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post #11

The terrorists have won. Americans have lost their way of life.

This has nothing to do with that. It's like wearing a t-shirt saying "rape is underrated" to a home for battered women. It's thoughtless and selfish and not funny.

And for reasons I stated elsewhere, the pilot made the right call, especially from a business perspective.

Re: Man kicked off flight by pilot for wearing anti-TSA shirt

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While, I understand on principle why he thinks he should be allowed to fly wearing any political statement he wishes - it's the kind of principle I had when I was less than 30. Nowadays, I completely understand and appreciate why passengers don't want to fly on a plane with someone who was wearing a shirt that had the phrases, "Moisture BOMBS", "Terrorists gonna kill us all", "Alert Level Blood Red." At a certain poi…

Very much agreed. I remember once going through airport security (in New Zealand) and the guy said, "Could you please take off your jacket." So I did, then remembered I'd put on my "DANGER, EXPLOSIVE" T-shirt that morning. I looked down and said, "Oops, that was kind of a silly T-shirt to wear, wasn't it?" "Sure was," he said, "Now zip up your jacket and get on the plane!"

Re: Man kicked off flight by pilot for wearing anti-TSA shirt

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I'd imagine the reality here is like many other times someone got "uppity" or "snarky" with people dealing in public safety: his version of expressing contempt for the situation was interpreted as belligerence and a lack of willingness to cooperate in the establishment of security. I get what he was trying to do. I even agree with his opinions on the situation. But if that shirt represents the attitude he held in the…

Right, just like those uppity negroes deserved to be put in their place back in the day.
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