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That is good but I have used Scala before and would not recommend it for an enterprise project. It was rather convoluted and had lots of concepts that just would not make sense to the java programmers in our company. There would be teams that could have used it and thrived but overall the complexity of the language seemed to outweigh any reasons I could give to use it. I wish them the best but I think they will have…
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5th search result for Closure in Google: http://freegeek.in/blog/2011/06/10-clojure-one-liners/ Tell me that is not Perl all over again.
Clojure is on the opposite end of the spectrum from Perl.
The Perl one-liners that actually resemble line-noise get far more done than any of the examples given above. Perl one-liners that do the same as the above examples are actually quite legible.
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Scala's on top of Java and the JVM; not a reimplementation of it. Oracle appears to be okay with this, and sometimes encourages it. (Not to imply I'm condoning Oracle's attempted legal smashing of Dalvik)
> Scala's on top of Java and the JVM; not a reimplementation of it. Oracle appears to be okay with this, and sometimes encourages it. Oracle could change their mind at any time. Some people at Sun appeared to be Ok with Android and sometimes even encouraged it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_JVM_languages
http://docs.oracle.com/javase/specs/jvms/se7/html/jvms-1.htm...
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Such a sad and unfortunately typical attitude of enterprise java developers. No wonder anyone with with any interest in programming avoids java like the plague.
And seemingly it's the default attitude of people who perpetuate the use of things like Spring as part of their core stack.
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I think Rich knows that you can't sell a technology or language, you have to sell a product. That's why he did Datomic. That said, I write Scala at my current job and am super excited that Typesafe got this funding. Please, Typesafe, follow Rich's lead. Make a real product backed by a technology, not a bunch of libraries! I want you to be around for years to come. p.s. we're hiring. You don't even have to be super sm…
> That's why he did Datomic. That's definitely one reason. I'm willing to bet the other reason is that he believes that the world needs Datomic. Because it really, really does. His talks make it clear that he deeply understands that.
My number one rule for infrastructure software: never, ever build your business on closed source software. Doesn't matter if it's free, or costs tens of thousands of dollars per month to operate, or is written by a superhuman like developer. You will be hurt Every. Single. Time. if you do.
That is good but I have used Scala before and would not recommend it for an enterprise project. It was rather convoluted and had lots of concepts that just would not make sense to the java programmers in our company. There would be teams that could have used it and thrived but overall the complexity of the language seemed to outweigh any reasons I could give to use it. I wish them the best but I think they will have…
Complexity of Scala has been debated many times. Just because a language adds some new concepts and is different than other mainstream languages, is not enough to call it "complex". Before you answer question about whether Scala is complex, try to answer the following questions first: Is JEE complex? Is Spring Framework complex? Is Maven complex? Are webservices complex? Is C# complex? They are, they introduce new co…
It seems to me that the JVM community has moved on from Scala and is actively looking for a language that offers most of the benefits that Scala offers without the downsides.
Kotlin (from JetBrains) and Ceylon (from RedHat) seem to be the first two languages with a really interesting take on this problem. Gosu and Fantom are similar attempts, although I think these two already failed to gain traction.
a) already is using Scala
b) already is using Akka, and
c) wanted a monitoring tool for both (which is part of the "Typespace Stack")
and contacted Typesafe about their subscription, I can tell you that none of this matters for people on HN, product-wise. Their "console" is an obscene amount of money per node per year. Yes, PER NODE.
With just a few nodes, it's literally cheaper to just build it yourself, even if you had to hire a Scala contractor to do it.
So forget scaling linearly up with Typesafe's actual product – you can't afford it.
That said, Scala and Akka are awesome and at least they'll continue to be developed for awhile now.
Play! 2 is cool as well, but being limited to one Play! app per JVM is something we couldn't live with, so we've moved on to Socco.
In the meantime, in the alternative universe I wish I were living in, the same thing happens to the company behind the widely used Clojure programming language...
I think Rich knows that you can't sell a technology or language, you have to sell a product. That's why he did Datomic. That said, I write Scala at my current job and am super excited that Typesafe got this funding. Please, Typesafe, follow Rich's lead. Make a real product backed by a technology, not a bunch of libraries! I want you to be around for years to come. p.s. we're hiring. You don't even have to be super sm…
Dear Typesafe We are glad you got funded and wish you all the best Signed: Oracle's legal department
Congratulations! Now, please do something about your language's godawful syntax and semantics.
Signed: a frustrated Lisp programmer.
Well, as someone in the last two weeks who: a) already is using Scala b) already is using Akka, and c) wanted a monitoring tool for both (which is part of the "Typespace Stack") and contacted Typesafe about their subscription, I can tell you that none of this matters for people on HN, product-wise. Their "console" is an obscene amount of money per node per year. Yes, PER NODE. With just a few nodes, it's literally ch…