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Re: Gemini-2.5-pro-preview-06-05

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Post by chollida1 »

ketzo wrote: post #68
chollida1 wrote: post #64

I'd start to worry about OpenAI, from a valuation standpoint. The company has some serious competition now and is arguably no longer the leader. its going to be interesting to see how easily they can raise more money. Their valuation is already in the $300B range. How much larger can it get given their relatively paltry revenue at the moment and increasingly rising costs for hardware and electricity. If the next gene…

OpenAI has already forecast $12B in revenue by the end of this year. I agree that Google is well-positioned, but the mindshare/product advantage OpenAI has gives them a stupendous amount of leeway

Agreed, its the doubling of that each year for the next 4-5 years that I see as being difficult.

Re: Gemini-2.5-pro-preview-06-05

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Post by Rudybega »

chollida1 wrote: post #64

I'd start to worry about OpenAI, from a valuation standpoint. The company has some serious competition now and is arguably no longer the leader. its going to be interesting to see how easily they can raise more money. Their valuation is already in the $300B range. How much larger can it get given their relatively paltry revenue at the moment and increasingly rising costs for hardware and electricity. If the next gene…

I think OpenAI has projected 12.7B in revenue this year and 29.4B in 2026.

Edit: I am dumb, ignore the second half of my post.

Re: Gemini-2.5-pro-preview-06-05

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Post by jorvi »

throwaway314155 wrote: post #46
joshmlewis wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

o3 is still my favorite over even Opus 4 in most cases. I've spent hundreds of dollars on AI code gen tools in the last month alone and my ranking is: 1. o3 - it's just really damn good at nuance, getting to the core of the goal, and writing the closest thing to quality production level code. The only negative is it's cutoff window and cost, especially with it's love of tools. That's not usually a big deal for the Ra…

It's interesting you say that because o3, while being a considerable improvement over OpenAI's other models, still doesn't match the performance of Opus 4 and Gemini 2.5 Pro by a long shot for me. However, o3 resides in the ChatGPT app, which is still superior to the other chat apps in many ways, particularly the internet search implementation works very well.

What's most annoying about Gemini 2.5 is that it is obnoxiously verbose compared to Opus 4. Both in explaining the code it wrote and the amount of lines it writes and comments it adds, to the point where the output is often 2-3x more than Opus 4.

You can obviously alleviate this by asking it to be more concise but even then it bleeds through sometimes.

Re: Gemini-2.5-pro-preview-06-05

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Post by eamag »

Rudybega wrote: post #72
chollida1 wrote: post #64

I'd start to worry about OpenAI, from a valuation standpoint. The company has some serious competition now and is arguably no longer the leader. its going to be interesting to see how easily they can raise more money. Their valuation is already in the $300B range. How much larger can it get given their relatively paltry revenue at the moment and increasingly rising costs for hardware and electricity. If the next gene…

I think OpenAI has projected 12.7B in revenue this year and 29.4B in 2026. Edit: I am dumb, ignore the second half of my post.

isn't P/E about earnings, not revenue?

Re: Gemini-2.5-pro-preview-06-05

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Post by spaceman_2020 »

joshmlewis wrote: post #42
johnfn wrote: post #12

Impressive seeing Google notch up another ~25 ELO on lmarena, on top of the previous #1, which was also Gemini! That being said, I'm starting to doubt the leaderboards as an accurate representation of model ability. While I do think Gemini is a good model, having used both Gemini and Claude Opus 4 extensively in the last couple of weeks I think Opus is in another league entirely. I've been dealing with a number of gn…

o3 is still my favorite over even Opus 4 in most cases. I've spent hundreds of dollars on AI code gen tools in the last month alone and my ranking is: 1. o3 - it's just really damn good at nuance, getting to the core of the goal, and writing the closest thing to quality production level code. The only negative is it's cutoff window and cost, especially with it's love of tools. That's not usually a big deal for the Ra…

I use o3 a lot for basic research and analysis. I also find the deep research tool really useful for even basic shopping research

Like just today, it made a list of toys for my toddler that fit her developmental stage and play style. Would have taken me 1-2 hrs of browsing multiple websites otherwise

Re: Gemini-2.5-pro-preview-06-05

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Post by AmazingTurtle »

johnfn wrote: post #12

Impressive seeing Google notch up another ~25 ELO on lmarena, on top of the previous #1, which was also Gemini! That being said, I'm starting to doubt the leaderboards as an accurate representation of model ability. While I do think Gemini is a good model, having used both Gemini and Claude Opus 4 extensively in the last couple of weeks I think Opus is in another league entirely. I've been dealing with a number of gn…

for bulk data extraction on personal real life data I experienced that even gpt-4o-mini outperforms latest gemini models in both quality and cost. i would use reasoning models but their json schema response is different from the non-reasonig models, as in: they can not deal with union types for optional fields when using strict schemas... anyway.

idk whats the hype about gemini, it's really not that good imho

Re: Gemini-2.5-pro-preview-06-05

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Post by throwaway314155 »

joshmlewis wrote: post #52
throwaway314155 wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's interesting you say that because o3, while being a considerable improvement over OpenAI's other models, still doesn't match the performance of Opus 4 and Gemini 2.5 Pro by a long shot for me. However, o3 resides in the ChatGPT app, which is still superior to the other chat apps in many ways, particularly the internet search implementation works very well.

What languages do you use it with and IDE? I use it in Cursor mainly with Max reasoning on. I spent around $300 on token based usage for o3 alone in May still only accepting around 33% of suggestions though. I made a post on X about this the other day but I expect that amount of rejections will go down significantly by the end of this year at the rate things are going.

i'm using with python, VS Code (not integrated with claude just basic copilot) and Claude Code. For Gemini i'm using AI studio with repomix to package my code into a single file. I copy files over manually in that workflow.

All subscription based, not per token pricing. I'm currently using Claude Max. Can't see myself exhausting its usage at this rate but who knows.

Re: Gemini-2.5-pro-preview-06-05

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Post by Take8435 »

dist-epoch wrote: post #45
bachmeier wrote: post #38

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> I'm actually baffled that the internet at large seems to be very pumped about Gemini but it's not reflective of my personal experience. Not to be that tinfoil hat guy but I smell at least a bit of astroturf activity around Gemini. I haven't used Claude, but Gemini has always returned better answers to general questions relative to ChatGPT or Copilot. My impression, which could be wrong, is that Gemini is better in…

You should try Grok then. It's by far the best when searching is required, especially if you enable DeepSearch.

I don't really want to use the X platform. What's the best alternative? Claude?

Re: Gemini-2.5-pro-preview-06-05

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Post by Workaccount2 »

joshmlewis wrote: post #60
svachalek wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you're coding through chat apps you're really behind the times. Try an agent IDE or plugin.

Yeah, exactly. For everyone who might not know, the chat apps add lots of complex system prompting to handle and shape personality, tone, general usability, etc. IDE's also do this (with Claude Code being one of the ones that are closest to "bare" model that you can get) but at they are at least guiding it's behavior to be really good at coding tasks. Another reason is using the Agent feature that IDE's have had for…

IDE's are intimidating to non-tech people.

I'm surprised there isn't a VibeIDE yet that is purpose build to make it possible for your grandmother to execute code output by an LLM.

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