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Re: Autonomous drone defeats human champions in racing first

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Post by bamboozled »

tonyarkles wrote: post #57
spaceman_2020 wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some of this stuff is getting to the point where we will seriously need to have a global talk on whether we should put a pin in this tech or not

The child comments from yours are mentioning nuclear weapons as a parallel but there's one big difference between drone tech and nuclear weapons: plutonium is really hard to make. We might be able to put a pin in this tech from a policy perspective, but the cat is way out of the bag as far as the tech goes. A cell phone already has all of the sensors you need baked right into it (honestly, we can thank mobile devices…

A lunatic will be able to wipe out school children playing outside and have little chance of getting caught, for example.

Nice.

Re: Autonomous drone defeats human champions in racing first

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trhway wrote: post #73
jandrese wrote: post #4

This is only a few days after the massive drone attack in Russia. Only a matter of time until we have drones smart enough to dodge bullets (or at least dodge out of where guns are pointing) while flying at breakneck speeds being controlled by AIs we don't fully understand. The tech industry is working hard to bring about the Terminator future.

>drones smart enough to dodge bullets well, there will be similarly smart "predator"/defense drones. The humans will have no chances on such a battlefield populated by thousands drones per square kilometer fighting each other. >The tech industry is working hard to bring about the Terminator future. And i think removing people from the battlefield is a good thing. >or at least dodge out of where guns are pointing just…

>And i think removing people from the battlefield is a good thing.

It is very dangerous, since it will mean that an organization with enough drones can dominate society on its own. Much better if humans were battlefield-relevant.

Re: Autonomous drone defeats human champions in racing first

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Post by trhway »

impossiblefork wrote: post #82
trhway wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>drones smart enough to dodge bullets well, there will be similarly smart "predator"/defense drones. The humans will have no chances on such a battlefield populated by thousands drones per square kilometer fighting each other. >The tech industry is working hard to bring about the Terminator future. And i think removing people from the battlefield is a good thing. >or at least dodge out of where guns are pointing just…

>And i think removing people from the battlefield is a good thing. It is very dangerous, since it will mean that an organization with enough drones can dominate society on its own. Much better if humans were battlefield-relevant.

It is understandable pure-logic thinking until you're the one to be made battlefield-relevant.

And if you look at Russia your logic does fail on that example - no amount of human losses affect Russia's behavior in the current war as they are sure that Ukraine will run out of soldiers before Russia does. So, from Russia's POV the faster the grinder the sooner their victory.

Re: Autonomous drone defeats human champions in racing first

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Post by contravariant »

atonse wrote: post #5

Oh man, can anyone imagine a non-Terminator scenario for this? Update: I'm not saying people shouldn't develop this, we're never going to squash human curiosity. But when I see this kind of stuff, I'm deeply troubled by how bad actors (state and non-state) will use this. I hope our security services are working hard on countering these potential threats.

Sure, just strap a nuke to it and watch WWIII kick off. No terminator necessary.

Re: Autonomous drone defeats human champions in racing first

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Post by impossiblefork »

trhway wrote: post #83
impossiblefork wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>And i think removing people from the battlefield is a good thing. It is very dangerous, since it will mean that an organization with enough drones can dominate society on its own. Much better if humans were battlefield-relevant.

It is understandable pure-logic thinking until you're the one to be made battlefield-relevant. And if you look at Russia your logic does fail on that example - no amount of human losses affect Russia's behavior in the current war as they are sure that Ukraine will run out of soldiers before Russia does. So, from Russia's POV the faster the grinder the sooner their victory.

No.

Here in Sweden we instituted mandatory military service we did so because we wanted to ensure that there was no military class that if they decide to can take over. We knew the cost, and the cost is worth it.

In normal times the cost is simply to do ones mandatory military service.

This protects against coups, ensures your power in society and prevents groups of officers and soldiers etc. from taking over.

Re: Autonomous drone defeats human champions in racing first

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Post by trhway »

impossiblefork wrote: post #85
trhway wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is understandable pure-logic thinking until you're the one to be made battlefield-relevant. And if you look at Russia your logic does fail on that example - no amount of human losses affect Russia's behavior in the current war as they are sure that Ukraine will run out of soldiers before Russia does. So, from Russia's POV the faster the grinder the sooner their victory.

No. Here in Sweden we instituted mandatory military service we did so because we wanted to ensure that there was no military class that if they decide to can take over. We knew the cost, and the cost is worth it. In normal times the cost is simply to do ones mandatory military service. This protects against coups, ensures your power in society and prevents groups of officers and soldiers etc. from taking over.

Man, with all the respect to Sweden, you're in your own [very high] class.

Re: Autonomous drone defeats human champions in racing first

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Post by XorNot »

switchbak wrote: post #51
stackedinserter wrote: post #8

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OTOH there's no mass adoption of autonomous drones after 3+ years of real active war between two technologically advanced nations.

Maybe we should come back to this in a few years, I think this will have aged worse than the old dropbox comment. Governments are falling over themselves to: acquire drones, figure out how to defend against existing and future drones, and to figure out how to exploit them well. Given the recent attack against Russian bombers, I find it hard to take you seriously here. Hell, the US knows it can't compete with China on…

What the Loyal Wingman program is trying to build is extremely far from what people keep thinking when someone says "drone". The word is overloaded as hell: no one draws a distinction between a quadrotor with a 20 minute flight time and an air breathing jet aircraft costing $20 million a piece.

But then they go and say "drone swarms will defeat all future adversaries!"

Like in the Ukrainian context everyone seems to think the drone swarm was the deciding factor and is saying "this will replace air forces!"...kind of ignoring the multi month infiltration and espionage operation which got those systems in range (they were literally trucked right up to almost the fence line).

Re: Autonomous drone defeats human champions in racing first

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Post by bravoetch »

bamboozled wrote: post #81
tonyarkles wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The child comments from yours are mentioning nuclear weapons as a parallel but there's one big difference between drone tech and nuclear weapons: plutonium is really hard to make. We might be able to put a pin in this tech from a policy perspective, but the cat is way out of the bag as far as the tech goes. A cell phone already has all of the sensors you need baked right into it (honestly, we can thank mobile devices…

A lunatic will be able to wipe out school children playing outside and have little chance of getting caught, for example. Nice.

Yes, and so far it's much easier to drive a van into a crowd of people. Nobody has tried to mandate tech in cars that detects and prevents such malicious behavior.
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