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https://x.com/lemonodor/status/1929269307189469624 You can also see the careful departure of drones from containers in the videos, without extra panning or yaw. Not quite how a human operator would fly them.
I really don’t get all the fretting about drones making kill-no-kill decisions. You’re telling me that you’d rather this was done by a stressed, emotional, tired front-line private? Reminds me of the debate about a self driving car that might need to mount the curb to avoid hitting a car - and therefore endangering a pedestrian. It’s not an easy decision but I’d rather a machine made it than a stressed person!
>> I really don’t get all the fretting about drones making kill-no-kill decisions. >> You’re telling me that you’d rather this was done by a stressed, emotional, tired front-line private? I want somebody that can be held accountable when it goes wrong. With automated systems we don't have that.
I really don’t get all the fretting about drones making kill-no-kill decisions. You’re telling me that you’d rather this was done by a stressed, emotional, tired front-line private? Reminds me of the debate about a self driving car that might need to mount the curb to avoid hitting a car - and therefore endangering a pedestrian. It’s not an easy decision but I’d rather a machine made it than a stressed person!
The stressed private might still have a bit of empathy and humanity. Meanwhile millions of drones can be programmed (or hacked) to kill millions of people without excluding civilians or anyone
All the bombs Russia thrown onto Ukrainian civilians were thrown by human soldiers.
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"He said that each of the 117 drones launched had its own pilot." https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c1ld7ppre9vo
Sun Tzu says it better: "A military operation involves deception." He could be telling the truth, he could be lying... A drone programmed to automatically boot up , check its location, and if it's at the right coordinates, take off and crash at some other coordinates (the airfield) is more satisfying to "fans" of automated warfare. For extra fun, add some other code to "look for plane-like objects to crash into", but…
I really don’t get all the fretting about drones making kill-no-kill decisions. You’re telling me that you’d rather this was done by a stressed, emotional, tired front-line private? Reminds me of the debate about a self driving car that might need to mount the curb to avoid hitting a car - and therefore endangering a pedestrian. It’s not an easy decision but I’d rather a machine made it than a stressed person!
What does that mean in practice? Have you ever saw a flash in the corner of your eye, looked for a second, then realised it was just a reflection? For that split second, your brain identified a potential threat and was trying to quickly decide whether to hide, fight or run. But underneath that was a nagging of "it's probably nothing," that caused you to delay pulling out your gun and opening fire on a passing car.
A computer programme may or may not have this coded in. A machine designed for an active war-zone, or a car assuming it'll only ever auto-pilot on a motorway, is used in a suburban area. That same programme that's fine in its original intended location suddenly opens fire on a grandma with a shiny stroller, or swerves into a pedestrian because "pedestrians don't walk on motorways."
That's what we worry about.
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Only need one camera drone capable of identifying targets. And just tells another drone to bomb it.
..in theory. In practice, building such a complex system in a fail safe way is not that easy.
I really don’t get all the fretting about drones making kill-no-kill decisions. You’re telling me that you’d rather this was done by a stressed, emotional, tired front-line private? Reminds me of the debate about a self driving car that might need to mount the curb to avoid hitting a car - and therefore endangering a pedestrian. It’s not an easy decision but I’d rather a machine made it than a stressed person!
Can we think slightly more broadly? Targeting a stationary Tu-95 bomber with no protective measures in place is probably the easiest possible identification task for a drone. A lot of kill/no-kill decisions are more subtle, or involve unknowns, possible nearby civilians, etc. Or look at this crazy FPV piloting job. You think AI could do this? Pilot maneuvers through an absolute maze of anti-drone nets to hit a moving…
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..in theory. In practice, building such a complex system in a fail safe way is not that easy.
Still only need one camera drone if a human is spotting targets.
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The stressed private might still have a bit of empathy and humanity. Meanwhile millions of drones can be programmed (or hacked) to kill millions of people without excluding civilians or anyone
Human soldiers kill civilians pretty much all the time. Then they brag to their friends how cool they are. Drones do not rape, soldiers rape (and yes they rape men too in case someone wants to make it about gender). All the bombs Russia thrown onto Ukrainian civilians were thrown by human soldiers.
Yet. Drones also don't get tired.
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The amount of autonomy and decision complexity matters a lot. Autonomously making its way into a known area, recognizing the target and self-correcting to it is basically how every modern cruise missile works.
And now we know making an ersatz cruise missile in the garage is possible...