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U.S. sanctions cloud provider 'Funnull' as top source of 'pig butchering' scams

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Re: U.S. sanctions cloud provider 'Funnull' as top source of 'pig butchering' scams

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Post by BLKNSLVR »

jonathantf2 wrote: post #217
BLKNSLVR wrote: post #121

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Telcos have systems in place that are specifically to allow international phone calls to appear as if they're local calls. This is to "facilitate business". They have these services and continue to offer them because they get paid for having them, despite the double decker bus sized hole this provides for scammers. I agree 100% that there should be much tighter regulation on telcos. What I'm not sure of is actually w…

I admin the phone system for my phone company, for any user I can change the outgoing CLI to be literally any number in the world, I can even call out as "1" if I want to.

Are there good reasons for having that kind of configurability?

Do you use it?

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Post by reaperducer »

ksenzee wrote: post #230
reaperducer wrote: post #229

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I wonder what kind of scam my generation will be falling for when we get old. There was a study recently (last year?) that found Millennials are more likely to fall for online scams than Boomers and Gen-X. The reason is because Boomers and Gen-X grew up during the advent of the internet, when there was a lot of media about the dangers online. Millennials (and presumably Z's, too) never knew life before the internet,…

Interesting. As it happens I’m Gen X, and possibly we’re more wary than millennials now, but I fully expect cognitive decline to affect that.

Cognitive decline with age is not a certainty.

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Post by porridgeraisin »

naming_the_user wrote: post #259
porridgeraisin wrote: post #247

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But most laws in democracies pass with just about majority. The president in america was selected with just-about majority. Do you suggest changing elections so that we keep doing them until the vote skews to 100%? 90%? What's the threshold?

I suggest not having laws that 50% of people disagree with, e.g. if 49% of people like raspberry jam then the 51% who like strawberry shouldn’t ban it regardless of whether they are in control. Basically, generally, live and let live.

What would be the threshold beyond which you would be OK with a ban? Because there would always be some people OK just about every single practice.

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Post by nottorp »

loaph wrote: post #197
BLKNSLVR wrote: post #157

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I've divided my stuff into four layers: basic, recommended, aggressive, and paranoid. Choose your own level of "censorship" or choose none at all. All such things can descend into the political mudpit, it just takes effort to keep the pigs noses out of the technical experts trough.

I suspect they're saying ISPs doing it would be begging for censorship, not that your project is

Yep, small step to one of those being enabled by default

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Post by cyanydeez »

naet wrote: post #25

Cryptocurrency enables a big part of this. Not saying that there weren't any wire scams before crypto, but crypto has made it much easier for average people to make anonymous international money transfers that can't be reversed. Not to start a big argument, but to my eyes the main usecases of cryptocurrency are to bet on them as a speculative asset or to use them for various forms of crime. Someone will probably tell…

porn and fraud seem to be leading indicators of technological progress.

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Post by lesuorac »

mmooss wrote: post #246
lesuorac wrote: post #221

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I'm sure the treasury department would love for the guy to appear in front of a judge. However, he's also welcome to email an appeal [1]. Note: This is a civil penalty. Much like a traffic ticket and does not require a judge. --- You won't necessarily show up in front of a judge if you get arrested. You may get released with no charges. You might also not get court time until a year+ from now inwhich case you'll prob…

> a traffic ticket and does not require a judge Yes it does. You can have a trial for your traffic ticket. > Due process does not mean "judge approved". It just means consistent with written law. That's just false. In fact, courts overrule laws and the procedures they authorize because they lack due process.

> Yes it does. You can have a trial for your traffic ticket.

A trial was not required for the city to issue you a ticket. You can contest the ticket in traffic court where you will _not_ get a jury of your peers.

Everything the government does can eventually be contested in court (with a judge). Even if Liu makes an appeal and it gets denied he can still turn to the courts.

> That's just false. In fact, courts overrule laws and the procedures they authorize because they lack due process.

This is a non-sequitur statement.

Courts overruling some laws and some procedures does not change the definition of "due process".

No court has overruled this law and no court has overruled cops being allowed arrest people without consulting a judge first.

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Post by naming_the_user »

porridgeraisin wrote: post #263
naming_the_user wrote: post #259

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I suggest not having laws that 50% of people disagree with, e.g. if 49% of people like raspberry jam then the 51% who like strawberry shouldn’t ban it regardless of whether they are in control. Basically, generally, live and let live.

What would be the threshold beyond which you would be OK with a ban? Because there would always be some people OK just about every single practice.

That’s kind of my point.

There is a difference between not being interested or disliking something, and wanting it to literally be illegal.

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Post by ksenzee »

reaperducer wrote: post #262
ksenzee wrote: post #230

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Interesting. As it happens I’m Gen X, and possibly we’re more wary than millennials now, but I fully expect cognitive decline to affect that.

Cognitive decline with age is not a certainty.

Old age itself isn’t a certainty, but I’m planning for it anyway.

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Post by quonn »

FabHK wrote: post #186
jlarocco wrote: post #169

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There's some kind of circular reasoning going on here. Banks are more careful, and that's why they don't deal with certain kinds of transactions. And that's where crypto comes in to "disrupt banks" and "democratize finance". Long term, crypto will be no different than regular currency and finance because people don't like getting ripped off and defrauded. We'll have a period of time with people pulling old scams but…

The problem is that crypto is designed to evade regulation. You can put lipstick on a pig and regulate the centralized intermediaries (which, remember, crypto aimed to disintermediate): exchanges, custodians, ETF providers, ... The dilemma is that you can either escape those regulations by going to unhosted wallets (self-custody) and transacting on the blockchain, or you keep everything (by regulation) entirely withi…

How is it designed so? You pass a law that puts anyone running a node 10 years in prison and anyone accepting or paying through it as well. You see, easy.

For this to not be possible it would have to be widely in use and government-backed.

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