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The banks here have said that if you get scammed and money has been transferred (no cryptocurrency involved), there's nothing they can do. It was a bit surprising to hear since you only hear cryptocurrency transactions being irreversible.
The (dumbass) finance department in my last company was phished out of about $50k. They received an email "from another company", that we happened to do business with, that was asking to update the account information. The FD didn't do any verification cause it was over a weekend and it was 'urgent'. Basically ignored all the classic signals. The bank refused to return the funds. The concept that just because it is a…
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Re: U.S. sanctions cloud provider 'Funnull' as top source of 'pig butchering' scams
#212Earlier quoted context omitted.
The (dumbass) finance department in my last company was phished out of about $50k. They received an email "from another company", that we happened to do business with, that was asking to update the account information. The FD didn't do any verification cause it was over a weekend and it was 'urgent'. Basically ignored all the classic signals. The bank refused to return the funds. The concept that just because it is a…
interested to hear more about zelle
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#213Earlier quoted context omitted.
Elder abuse is certainly a real problem, but the guardianship/conservatorship system also does address a real problem: many seniors actually do become mentally unable to manage themselves. You're worried about falsely being forced into a guardianship, but what happens if you actually do develop Alzheimer's or some other form of dementia and your family legitimately needs access to your assets to care for you? It's ea…
Before she died, my grandmother couldn't remember where she'd hidden her most valuable jewellery. She was an excellent card player 10 years before that, probably because she could recall most/all of the playing cards in the discard pile, so I'm sure she could have remembered a Bitcoin wallet passphrase — until the last few years.
Paranoia is a common side effect of dementia, and I’ve seen lots of anguish and money (legal/bank fees) spent on recovering non-life-changing savings that were just too well hidden. At least there was a fallback option to get them back – crypto would have been permanently lost.
Finding a middle ground between security and availability is hard even as a healthy adult and only gets worse with age.
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Crypto is hard for most scam victims to buy. Ban gift cards. Gift cards have always been a lame thoughtless gift anyway.
This is what I'm wondering. How do you get the typical person to fall for a scam to open a crypto account, buy it, go through kyc, etc
With spam like the below (note that the original contains mostly UTF8 characters to avoid spam filters). I get these every so often on the NOC and postmaster addresses of domains I manage.
It's not even phishing. Just spam blasts to find anyone uninformed enough to believe it, and insecure enough to be afraid of the (empty) "threat":
Ţaƙе a second tо ѕtор, іոhɑlе ԁeерly, aոd соոсеntrate оn this мeѕsaԍе. It'ѕ
сruсiɑl to gіѵe it yоur ϲомplete focus.
Wе'rе about tо ԁisϲusѕ а ѕіgnіficɑnt mɑttеr bеtweеո uѕ, аոԁ І'м аbsоlutely
ոоt kidԁіոɡ.
Үоu miɡht nоt recоgոіᴢe me, but І'м fаmіlіar with yоu and at thіѕ mомеnt,
yоu'rе lіkеlẏ ẇоnderіոɡ hоԝ, rіght?
Үоur brоwѕіոɡ hаbіtѕ hɑѵe beeո riѕky - ѕϲrоllіnɡ thrоuɡh vіԁеоs, clickіոɡ
lіnκs, аnԁ vіѕіtiոɡ some unѕɑfe ẇеbѕitеѕ.
I dерlоуеd мalwɑrе oո ɑո ɑdult sіtе, aոd уou ѕtuмblеd ɑcross it.
Whіlе уоu ẇerе streɑміng, ẏour ѕуѕtем wаѕ eẋрosеd thrоugh rdp, аllowing ме
full аcсeѕѕ to your deѵiϲe.
Noᴡ I cаn mоnitоr everẏthіnɡ oո your ѕϲrееn, rемоtеly ɑсtіvаte your ϲɑmеra
and мiсrорhoոе, aոd yоu wоulԁո't eѵen notice.
I alѕо hɑνе соmpletе ɑccеsѕ to ẏour eмaіls, ϲontаcts and other acϲountѕ.
I'νе beеո obserѵіnԍ your аctivitіеs fоr quite somе tіme now. Іt's ѕiмрlẏ
unfоrtunate for yоu thаt I ϲɑmе ɑcrosѕ whɑt уоuâνe beeո up to.
I speոt morе tiме thаn neсеsѕarẏ dіԍԍinԍ іnto уоur pеrѕoոɑl datɑ. І'vе
соllected a significɑոt aмount оf ѕeոsitіνе іnformɑtion frом ẏour devicе аnd
reѵiеwеd it thоroughlу. І еѵen hɑve reсordiոgs of yоu еոԍagіոɡ іn ѕoме rather
ԛuеѕtiоnаble behɑviоr аt hoме. I've сoмріlеd viԁеоѕ anԁ sոɑрshots (incluԁiոԍ
іmagеѕ оf ẏour liviոԍ spaсе) ẇhеrе оnе siԁe ԁisрlays the соոtеոt ẏou wеre
viewing, ɑnԁ thе other siԁе shoᴡs you... ԝеll, let'ѕ just saу уоu κոоԝ what I
меаո.
With a singlе ϲlіcƙ, I could ѕharе thiѕ with еѵery оnе оf ẏоur ϲoոtactѕ.
І uոderstanԁ уоur uncertaіոty, but don't eхpect anу leոieոcẏ from mе.
Тhat ѕaid, I'м рrерarеd tо let thiѕ ԍо aոd аllоẇ yоu tо ϲarry on аѕ іf
nothing еνer оϲсurred.
Неre'ѕ thе deɑl - I'm offеrinɡ ẏоu twо chоiсеs:
- Igոore this меѕsаɡe ɑnԁ fіոd оut ԝhɑt hаpреոs next. If ẏоu taƙе thіѕ рath,
I'll ѕhаre thе ѵiԁeo with аll уour coոtaсts.
It's ԛuіtе а reѵеɑlіng ϲlip, aոd I can oոlẏ іmаginе the huміlіаtіоn уоu'ԁ
facе whеn your сollеaɡueѕ, friends, and fаmіly ѵіeẇ іt.
But, ɑѕ they ѕay, аctіоnѕ have соnѕequеnceѕ. Dоn't роsitiоո yourѕelf aѕ thе
νіctiм here.
- Раy me tо kеeр thіѕ мɑttеr privatе. Let's rеfer tо іt aѕ a prіvɑcy fеe.
Hеrе'ѕ thе ԁeal іf you ԍo thіs route: уour sесrеt reмɑiոs sаfe, ոo one еlsе
ᴡіll eνer knоẇ.
Օոcе I reсеіve thе pаẏмеոt, І'll dеlеtе еverẏthіոɡ. Thе paуmеոt iѕ to bе
mаdе eхϲluѕivеly iո сrẏptо.
І'м ɑімing for a rеsolutioո that ẇоrκs for bоth оf uѕ, but mу termѕ are
fiոal anԁ noո neԍоtіɑble.
1100 USD tо мy bitcoiո ɑԁԁrеѕs beloᴡ (remove whitespaces if any):
bc1qt30ya4ssczyhzpe03t6jt8524hgfswe7pdxq9u
Onϲe the paymеnt іѕ мɑԁе, yоu ϲаn rеst еɑsy κnoᴡiոԍ І ƙeер му word.
Үou hаνе 50 hоurs tо сoмplеte the trɑnsaсtion, аnd btс іѕ the onlу fоrм оf
pɑymeոt І'll ɑccept.
Thе syѕtем I'vе sеt uр ԝіll ɑutомаticɑllу ԁеtect thе payment anԁ imмedіɑtely
dеlete eѵеrуthіnɡ I hаνe on you.
Don't wаste tіme rеѕpоndіnԍ or atteмрtіոg tо ոeԍotіatе - it wоո't work.
Іf І notiсe yоu'vе sроƙeո to аnyоոе about thіѕ оr ѕоuԍht aԁνicе, thе vіԁеo
will be sеnt to уоur соntaсtѕ withоut hesitatіоn.
Aոd ԁoո't thіոk аbоut turniոg off ẏоur рhonе оr attеmрtiոԍ a fаctоrẏ rеѕеt -
it won't мaκe a diffеrеոϲe.
І ԁon't makе errors, aոd I'm ѕimplẏ ԝаіtіnԍ for the pɑyмent.
As you can see, the claims and threats are cartoonish. But folks who aren't tech savvy could be fooled by this.I'd expect that each spam recipient is given a unique BTC address, so that they can be identified for further "blackmail"[0] should they actually comply.
And to clarify, the above message was received by a "postmaster@domain" account on 23 May 2025. And since I've been seeing them for at least a few years I can only assume they are at least occasionally successful.
There are other scams that target folks with bitcoin demands too. Likely with similar claims.
[0] https://malwaretips.com/blogs/ive-recorded-many-videos-of-yo...
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#215Cryptocurrency enables a big part of this. Not saying that there weren't any wire scams before crypto, but crypto has made it much easier for average people to make anonymous international money transfers that can't be reversed. Not to start a big argument, but to my eyes the main usecases of cryptocurrency are to bet on them as a speculative asset or to use them for various forms of crime. Someone will probably tell…
Keep in mind that most of the world doesn't live in a perfectly functioning country with proper rule of law. Being able to use crypto to commit a crime in those countries is a feature. You never know when you will need this feature in your own. (Stupid example: tomorrow Trump wakes up and decide to block all bank accounts of non-citizen until they prove that they are in the US legally: will being able to make crypto transfers be good or bad ?)
But even assuming that all criminal use of crypto is bad, as our money become more digital, we are more and more dependent on a small number of payment processors that get to decide what is good and what is bad, regardless of the legal status (or decide that the legal status that matters is the one of the US, even if you live in Nigeria). This is particularly true for businesses that handle anything sex-related.
For an example of the latter, just a few days ago a payment processor suspended its services to Civitai [1] because it lets people to make ai-generated porn. "The company that had been processing credit card payments for Civitai made the decision to cease processing payments beginning May 23, 2025, due to their discomfort with enabling AI-generated explicit content."
[1] https://www.laweekly.com/civitai-ditched-by-credit-card-proc...
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#216Earlier quoted context omitted.
The (dumbass) finance department in my last company was phished out of about $50k. They received an email "from another company", that we happened to do business with, that was asking to update the account information. The FD didn't do any verification cause it was over a weekend and it was 'urgent'. Basically ignored all the classic signals. The bank refused to return the funds. The concept that just because it is a…
interested to hear more about zelle
Just google "zelle fraud" and go down the rabbit hole...
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Forcing telecos to authenticate phone calls would probably be the single most important change. But instead of forcing them, we have been letting them drag their feet while while regular people are losing billions to scams. The whole phone system is ancient and long deprecated. When I get a call from my bank I should see their name and a badge of authentication. Not a random phone number. Imagine you could register i…
Telcos have systems in place that are specifically to allow international phone calls to appear as if they're local calls. This is to "facilitate business". They have these services and continue to offer them because they get paid for having them, despite the double decker bus sized hole this provides for scammers. I agree 100% that there should be much tighter regulation on telcos. What I'm not sure of is actually w…
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#218Cryptocurrency enables a big part of this. Not saying that there weren't any wire scams before crypto, but crypto has made it much easier for average people to make anonymous international money transfers that can't be reversed. Not to start a big argument, but to my eyes the main usecases of cryptocurrency are to bet on them as a speculative asset or to use them for various forms of crime. Someone will probably tell…
The biggest impact cryptocurrency has had on my life is the ability to pay criminals after they've taken your data hostage. It's awesome that we've invented a way to make creating and distributing malware profitable.
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#219This stuff makes me so mad. I know a friend who told me about a loved one getting scammed. Dude meets some girl from a foreign country online. Next thing you know he thinks she got him into some great cryptocurrency, and nothing anyone can tell him will make him realize he is getting scammed. Sad stuff.
Pig butchering gets additionally horrible when you consider the other side. People who actually handle the chatting are kept in inhuman conditions and physically cannot leave. Laundered profits go to criminal bosses at the top (corrupting various local governments, given they constitute a significant percentage of their economies at this point). See Number Go Up by Zeke Faux for a glimpse into that (and how cryptocur…
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#220Earlier quoted context omitted.
But you know who customer X is and if he obtained the money fraudulently then the bank (or police, courts, etc) can go after him to recover it. It might not happen but it's possible.
Same statement could be said about you no? You're the one that was defrauded. The bank processed the transfer exactly as you told them to. So therefore, if person X isn't providing the service you expected then you should have to go to the courts to get it back? The general problem is that it takes a lot of leg work. Often Customer X was being defrauded through some payroll scam (they take out ~500 and forward the re…