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I'm starting a social club to solve the male loneliness epidemic

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Re: I'm starting a social club to solve the male loneliness epidemic

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This idea appears every once in awhile, as it’s obviously a major issue in modern life. The interesting thing though is how the solution is always location-agnostic. By that I mean it’s never really about a specific cafe or restaurant or soccer field, it’s always an app or service that organizes people to show up in various places. I bring this up because if you look at places that had lively social activities a few…

> The neighborhood cafe where locals can stop by at any time and see other locals. The bar that everyone stops by after work twice a week. These are stationary physical locations that don’t require pre-planning, schedules, apps, or anything else.

I’ve seen a number a theories on why these spaces declined:

1. Social media became more engaging than actual hangouts.

2. Rising levels of cultural and ethnic diversity lead to lower levels of social trust and a subsequent exit from public spaces (see e.g. Robert Putnam).

3. Independent bars and cafes got bought out by chains that favored higher rates of table turnover.

4. Civil Liberties movement made America into an open air insane asylum that normal people avoid venturing into.

5. Wages not keeping pace with inflation leaves less discretionary income available to pay for these spaces.

6. Decline of fraternal orders, friendly societies, and veteran clubhouses which were often the owners of the bars and / or cafes.

Re: I'm starting a social club to solve the male loneliness epidemic

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The idea of needing to impress an in-crowd enough to get an invite to join reminds me of fraternities in college (which I withdrew from half way through the process) and well-heeled yacht clubs or country clubs.

I’d much rather make friends where I can just show up and have a nice time with someone based on a shared interest (like my local cycling club, where I’ve met a few folks I hang out with regularly… or even social dance clubs for those into ballroom or Latin dance). Meetups are obviously too transient, so I join clubs with consistent regular attendees.

But maybe there are people this program will resonate with. Obviously, exclusive invite-only clubs like fraternities and country clubs are popular and I know many who joined, and even met life long friends there.

…I guess, just not me. I probably have some weird outsider-exclusion-from-popular-kid-club complex that is well beyond the scope of this comment :)

The same reason I won’t show up with a navy blazer to a yacht club social event to beg sponsorship from some commercial real estate agent with a chip on his shoulder because he has a quarter-zip polo from the club store and a member number like S29 he can use at the bar.

That being said, good luck with the company, I hope it is successful and you meet a lot of great people.

Re: I'm starting a social club to solve the male loneliness epidemic

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That's because the genders aren't valued equally by society, so they don't permute. Once gender equality is established they could switched and the statements would be equivalent.

I dunno, generationally we may be correcting a problem that will soon no longer exist, or even invert. Women are attending and graduating college in higher numbers than men in GenZ. Much of the man-o-sphere GenZ rightward turn seems to be resentment at society being sure what the use of men is anymore. That is, from a very young age girls are told they can do/be whatever they want. Often now, boys are described in te…

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Re: I'm starting a social club to solve the male loneliness epidemic

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I’m not the target audience but I wonder if I’m the type of individual it wishes would attend. (There is a caveat) I’m in my mid-30s, relatively successful, educated, friendly, outgoing, and so on. When I think of many men in my life, I am there for them emotionally and mentally. I’ve been there when times were good and bad. But, I have no interest in this even a little. If I wanted more male friends, it’d be trivial…

Have you tried going to partner dancing events? That’s where I met my wife. Contra dance, swing dance, etc. There’s usual more women than men in my experience, and you get to be a hero for saving the wallflowers from being wallflowers.

Re: I'm starting a social club to solve the male loneliness epidemic

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> If you lose the ability to be a normal person whenever That depends on what "normal" is, and I don't think you or I get to define it. I mostly hang out in mixed-gender groups, but I absolutely have seen the difference in vibe others in this thread have noted, when I'm hanging out with a group of just other men. Especially when compared to a mixed group that has both single men and single women. > men are putting th…

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> The problem is the vast majority of women think this is stupid as fuck

Who are you to speak for “the vast majority of women”?

Re: I'm starting a social club to solve the male loneliness epidemic

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The group dynamic changes the moment it is not single sex anymore.

Yes, it basically changes to men complaining about women. The people with a good sex life end up becoming therapists for the group. Mixed groups on the other hand turn into a soap opera. What is needed is a strong common interest that binds the group beyond these tendencies to stave off the soap opera entropy. The soap opera entropy will always increase with time though until the group dissolves. It is still more sta…

>Yes, it basically changes to men complaining about women. The people with a good sex life end up becoming therapists for the group.

Just not true. Men only groups are rarely misogynist, more often they are homophobic in the sense that everyone is trying to imply that everyone else is secretly gay.

There is also various forms of dick measuring contests - who can grill better, who caught bigger fish and so on. Also for hobbies. And a lot of stories. You have no idea the acts of bravery worthy of medal of honor you will hear.

Bitching about women is minor.

On the other hand being able to overhear what my roommate and her girlfriends (early 20s) talk about - on some evenings they don't pass the Bechdel test in real life. On other evenings it usually evenly split between men, fashion, professional.

Re: I'm starting a social club to solve the male loneliness epidemic

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As a recent grad in upstate New York, this exact problem of college friendships atrophying has been on my mind nonstop. My girlfriend and I host monthly cocktail parties in an attempt to stem the tide and even make new friends, but I’ve definitely been looking for male-focused groups. I’m interested!

I didn't stick around the Capital Region too long after college but I actually found the Troy community to be incredibly engaging. Maybe it was a function of time and place, but I got into cycling groups, community arts orgs, and volunteerism. It helped that I made friends in college who were already plugged into the local community.

I do love Troy and it is indeed surprisingly lively. I think shifting from a “I’m here temporarily for school” to “I’m now an average local” has been difficult to navigate and kept me from thinking about those sorts of local communities. Your comment is a good reminder.

Re: I'm starting a social club to solve the male loneliness epidemic

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I'm under the impression that women's only spaces are very much frowned upon in the English speaking world, whether it be in sports, book awards, knitting circles, toilets, or prisons. This isn't an x-has-it-worse comment by the way. I think every demographic is entitled to self-segregate without shame, and the ladies definitely face their own struggles in achieving this.

Your impression is mistaken. E.g. Girl Scouts: allowed to be girls only Boy Scouts: now “Scouting” because girls are allowed My intramural sports in college had coed and women only teams

Those two scouts programs aren't even remotely comparable, both in substance and prestige. Many girl scout troops barely did any camping/outdoor activity, whereas boys got to earn the prestige of "eagle scout" and go on various outdoor adventures (multi-day treks through the mountains, building igloos and camping inside them, camping on an island only accessible by a canoe, etc). It was a tragedy that girls didn't have the opportunities available to boys.

(Source: My sister and her friends were the type that would have thrived in boy scouts, but they had to join a "venture crew" run by the same scout leader as our boy scout troop)

Re: I'm starting a social club to solve the male loneliness epidemic

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Why does the presence of women cause men to not have male friends?

Women tend to behave very differently in all-female group compared to when even a single man is present. And if that man is charismatic or handsome its completely different dynamics and resulting behavior again. Never thought about it myself but one female friend mentioned this once (how toxic their work environment becomes when there is no man), so started noticing it around. As a married man I can understand these…

You're more open and honest with any man than with your wife?

Re: I'm starting a social club to solve the male loneliness epidemic

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The demands from the lunatic fringe of a mouvement should be completely ignored. "Positive" racial segregation is still racial segregation and racial segregation is racism; unlike positive discrimination, there are no intellectually honest way to frame it otherwise.

And excluding Jews because they are Jewish is antisemitism plain and simple. Excluding those that deny that Israel actions have become genocidal different, but you won't know who they are unless you talk to them and most importantly they are not necessarily Jewish !

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