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Gurus of 90s Web Design: Zeldman, Siegel, Nielsen

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Re: Gurus of 90s Web Design: Zeldman, Siegel, Nielsen

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soulofmischief wrote: post #189
DonHopkins wrote: post #165

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You haven't taken the opportunity to prove you're not full of shit by contributing anything constructive to this conversation. Go reply to my other comments or other people's comments if you disagree with anything I've said or have something to add, but nobody wants to hear financial advice or blockchain evangelism from you, so please stop obsessing about that, because it's not relevant or interesting or credible.

More deflection and moving goalposts, and now ad hominem. Still nothing substantial, and certainly nothing constructive. Just one argumentative fallacy after another. There is no value in speaking with you any further, your entire demeanor is toxic and ignorant. Take a hike.

You're so close to getting that nobody wants to hear financial advice or blockchain evangelism from you, but you still think the problem is with them, not you. Would you be so persistent and angry about it if your obsession was denying climate change instead of evangelizing fraudulent get-rich-quick pyramid schemes and rug pulls and ponzi schemes and Web 3.0 NFT scams and TRUMP coins, when nobody was remotely interested in discussing it, everyone has heard it all before, and is totally sick of hearing about it, and doesn't want to be your next biggest idiot, and it had absolutely nothing to do with the conversation? Nothing you've said has any relevance to the goalposts of discussing "Gurus of 90s Web Design: Zeldman, Siegel, Nielsen" whatsoever, yet here you are, still throwing a tantrum about nothing interesting.

Re: Gurus of 90s Web Design: Zeldman, Siegel, Nielsen

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Post by DonHopkins »

rchaud wrote: post #178
oblio wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

LOL It looks pretty nice and it's well written and I won't delve deep into the flaws, I'm sure others will. However one big thing that climate change skeptics/deniers keep missing or handwaving about renewables is that they've never listened to Wayne Gretzky. None of them are skating to where the puck will be. Living in the past is worse for everyone.

funny that you would cite a Wayne Gretzky quote, considering where his politics are these days.

Looking forward to being a citizen of the 51st State of America, where he thinks the puck will be?

Re: Gurus of 90s Web Design: Zeldman, Siegel, Nielsen

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Post by oblio »

rchaud wrote: post #178
oblio wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

LOL It looks pretty nice and it's well written and I won't delve deep into the flaws, I'm sure others will. However one big thing that climate change skeptics/deniers keep missing or handwaving about renewables is that they've never listened to Wayne Gretzky. None of them are skating to where the puck will be. Living in the past is worse for everyone.

funny that you would cite a Wayne Gretzky quote, considering where his politics are these days.

I have no clue about his current politics, but that sports related quote is very much right.

I don't have to follow or agree with someone overall to also think that "even a broken clock is right twice a day" :-)

Re: Gurus of 90s Web Design: Zeldman, Siegel, Nielsen

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Post by pixxel »

replwoacause wrote: post #150
subpixel wrote: post #87

“His current website, cuttingthroughthenoise.net, shows that he now has a variety of business and personal interests.” That is a funny way to not mention that he is a hard-core climate change denialist.

Whoa you weren’t kidding. Right from the first paragraph on the main page: “Humans are not destroying Earth or the climate. The widespread belief in anthropogenic warming is the result of political idealism, bad science, faulty data, social psychopathy, and greed. There is no climate emergency. The Apocalyptic climate narrative is a seriously misleading propaganda tool and a socially destructive guide for public poli…

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Re: Gurus of 90s Web Design: Zeldman, Siegel, Nielsen

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Post by giantrobot »

gdubs wrote: post #109

Any article on 90s Web Design gurus would not be complete without at least a mention of Jeffery Veen. HotWired completely defined the aesthetic of the 90s web, breaking all sorts of conventions to create something totally new. Some point along the way I lost my copy of HotWired Style: Principles of Web Design – so I picked up a new one. It's an amazing time capsule of what that time was like, and even if the technolo…

I thumbed through the HotWired style guide so much I ended up having to buy a second. If it was possible I also would have worn out the WebMonkey and Jeff Zeldman sites in the same way. I poured over them all for style cues.

I loved the bright look of the "HotWired" style designs. I found them to be really functional on top of just enjoying the aesthetic. You could get a lot of visual mileage out of a little bit of markup even without images. This was a great feature when most people were on shitty dial-up.

Re: Gurus of 90s Web Design: Zeldman, Siegel, Nielsen

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Post by giantrobot »

bluenose69 wrote: post #22

The colour choices in the image with caption beginning "Jeffrey Zeldman's homepage, March 1997" are hard on my eyes. However, the point might have been to show folks how to exert control over colours and fonts, as opposed to actually communicating. The 90s were quite a different thing than whatever we call the present decade. A big annoyance of the early web was all the stupid blinking text and pointless little anima…

While black on yellow isn't necessarily the best combination, you have to take into account the medium of the times.

On the typical 15" CRT with its high dot pitch and relatively dark tube that garish yellow would be far less garish. The black, by virtue of the display, would also not be as black and more a very deep grey. The text contrast would also be somewhat comfortable as it would get an anti-aliased effect even though the OS at the time didn't have good font smoothing at the time.

Re: Gurus of 90s Web Design: Zeldman, Siegel, Nielsen

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Post by vr46 »

onli wrote: post #46
vr46 wrote: post #18

I enjoyed Zeldman's A List Apart, and had no idea that he was so old at a time that we were all in our mid-twenties, I thought he was our cohort :D Nielsen I can honestly leave, maybe he did help millions of people have easier to use sites, but I found him rigid and boring; especially rigid with his prescriptive approach to sites - "the home page should have these links". I think Philip Greenspun skewered him at some…

The users were also different back then. It was not only about putting it all on one page, but even about putting it all above the fold, based on the today astonishing fact that many users did not scroll down. Because they did not know they could, with later experiments observing a tipping point when scrolling became normal. Think about that, what a different environment the sites had to work in. Not only technically…

Do you remember how low screen resolutions were as well?? :D

Re: Gurus of 90s Web Design: Zeldman, Siegel, Nielsen

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Post by soulofmischief »

DonHopkins wrote: post #191
soulofmischief wrote: post #189

Earlier quoted context omitted.

More deflection and moving goalposts, and now ad hominem. Still nothing substantial, and certainly nothing constructive. Just one argumentative fallacy after another. There is no value in speaking with you any further, your entire demeanor is toxic and ignorant. Take a hike.

You're so close to getting that nobody wants to hear financial advice or blockchain evangelism from you, but you still think the problem is with them, not you. Would you be so persistent and angry about it if your obsession was denying climate change instead of evangelizing fraudulent get-rich-quick pyramid schemes and rug pulls and ponzi schemes and Web 3.0 NFT scams and TRUMP coins, when nobody was remotely interes…

> Nothing you've said has any relevance to the goalposts of discussing "Gurus of 90s Web Design: Zeldman, Siegel, Nielsen" whatsoever

Projection. You're the one who brought up this irrelevant tangent about blockchain. This flags your entire argument as disingenuous.

Its your comment which got flagged and killed. Think about why that is. You are projecting so much right now, and it just looks sad. There is no need to continue this conversation, goodbye.

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