Yep, seems pretty accurate to me. In fact, my home system is pretty much identical to their hypothetical 2008 i7-920 system. I have made a couple of upgrades over the years (Replaced the original Radeon 4870x2 with a GeForce 560 about 9 months ago when the ATI card died, recently upgraded from the original 6GB of RAM to 24GB. Looking at what's other there now there's nothing that makes sense to upgrade to.
Raytraced games probably come closest to what would cause people to upgrade. But even Intel seems to be backing away from raytraced games off late.
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#32> Now, compare an early Core i7 system (Nehalem) against what’s shipping today (Ivy Bridge). Clock speeds are up a bit, and there are cheaper/lower-end options available, but the Core i7-920 that launched at 2.67GHz with four cores and eight threads is still absolutely capable of powering the latest games and applications. A big, big factor in the slowdown of obsolecense is that the current generation of consoles has…
I disagree, we're simply just not seeing the growth in performance we used to, on the high end of the spectrum. This is valid for consoles too. It's not because of the consoles. On the mobile side however, the recent performance increases have been very dramatic, just like in the early days with the 386 and Pentium and stuff.
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#33More than half of MSFT's revenue (http://www.tannerhelland.com/4273/microsoft-money-updated-20...) comes from Windows and Office (and over half the profit, Windows http://news.yahoo.com/microsoft-defer-revenue-windows-upgrad...).
Back in the 90s and early 00s, the rate of change in the PC market was amazing. The hardware you could buy in 1998 basically didn't exist in 1996, so there always was something new and exciting to spur new hardware sales.
New hardware sales represent the bulk of Microsoft's Windows licensing (the so-called "Microsoft Tax") revenue and so a large part of MSFT's profits. All MS had to do was be the default OS and their profit would grow without lifting a finger (obviously that's greatly simplified, MS had to do a lot of things).
Now that this hardware revolution is no longer taking place, MS' Windows licensing rev (and thus the huge profits) are threatened. Competition in the PC market have driven hardware profits to zero. MS and their clone makers have painted themselves into a corner.
Contrast this with Apple's strategy - produce desirable hardware that people buy for non-technical reasons (design, fashion, software, etc.) instead of raw figures (CPU, Memory, etc.). Folks will upgrade because they want to, not because they need to. That's a lot harder to pull off, but Apple seems to be doing a great job of it.
Ultimately, I think Apple's strategy is going to make a lot more sense in the long run. Drive the cost of the operating system upgrades to zero (I'd be shocked if the next OSX upgrade costs anything; I was quite surprised that Mountain Lion was {edit: not} a fee upgrade), limit the age of device that can run it, and create products that people want.
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#34Earlier quoted context omitted.
In a way the article yells out trouble for Microsoft and friends. If their customers hardware from the last five years is "good enough" they wont go looking for an upgrade. (They will go looking for a _new_ toy with the ipad though). If next generation consoles really did drive desktop sales it would have been in Microsoft's interests to get out the next generation xbox sooner right?
I don't think it's easy to see Microsoft profiting by leveraging its Xbox division to boost PC sales (Windows license sales). I can't find a source for this, but I doubt Microsoft made much money if at all on the Xbox 360. The money is in Xbox live subscriptions and taking a percentage from sales on the marketplace. This is similar to how Amazon sells its Kindle line at a negative profit but makes a killing in Prime…
It seems to me that problem here isn't cannibalization -- if Microsoft hadn't done it, someone else (Sony?) would have -- but the "let's leverage our monopoly-driven money tree" mindset. XBox was dumped on the market at a loss, subsidized by Office/Windows and leveraged by Microsoft's dominance of desktop gaming, APIs, and developer mindshare.
Microsoft doesn't even try to play fair in new markets and eventually it had to bite them, and it did.
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#35I am absolutely amazed, that picture at the beginning of the article seems to have taken on a life of it's own. More on topic, quick PC obsolescence was always something of a myth. Parts were only really obsolete if you absolutely had to run the latest shooter at the absolute highest settings known to man. So it wasn't that it was obsolete, it was that the user needed to justify their desire to buy the latest for bra…
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#37Earlier quoted context omitted.
Sad, but true. Faced with the reality that well-designed, flexible, modular systems have simply become too good, manufacturers are now effectively building in forced obsolescence, either tying components together (the Apple way) or arbitrarily declaring that only certain combinations are permitted (which also works with consumables, like the way my HP colour printer refused to print a black and white document the oth…
Integrated devices aren't some grand conspiracy. Modular systems have costs, both in terms of money as well as size and weight. Consumers are deciding on their own, by and large, that modularity isn't worth the cost. Likewise, it's easy to buy non-stupid printers right now, today. But few people want to pay what they cost. Even techies would rather spend $50 on a printer and then complain about how it screws them ove…
Right. It's absolutely necessary for Apple to make the new iPad so that you can't even take it to an Apple Store and get the storage upgraded, and to literally glue the Retina version of the MacBook Pro together so it's almost completely impossible to repair anything if it breaks.
Some integration has a genuine benefit, such as minimising size or weight. But plenty more integration is just artificial, and this trend is increasing. Some of the clients I work with design high-end IT hardware for a living, so I can say with some confidence that if you think the equivalent people at places like Apple couldn't design modern devices in more modular ways than they are, you're just kidding yourself.
Likewise, it's easy to buy non-stupid printers right now, today. But few people want to pay what they cost.
Why can't the colour laser printer I already paid for just work? Printing a black-and-white document with nothing but black toner is not rocket science. Stop apologising for people who deliberately screw their customers.
If you want people to fight the trend, start with yourself. [...] Start by not buying crappy and restrictive printers just because they're cheap.
That printer probably cost the equivalent of $1,500 when I bought it, and was marketed for use in a small office. I'm not talking about cheap consumer junk, not that it would make the slightest difference to my argument if I were.
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#38My parents are still using a desktop system from 2002 for all their stuff, and it still working quite well.
This is the problem most OEMs are facing nowadays, as there this no need to upgrade every few years like it used to be.
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#39It was easy to double the processing requirements of software when we were at a low exponent of moore's law, but now that is looked at as poor development. We're able to do more with less code.
Also, since facebook and other web services have diluted the demographic with people who mostly browse the web, the demand for power has waned.
However, I am annoyed with all the posts asserting that desktops are dead. This is far from true. Gamers will not give up their desktops. For power uses, a laptop just won't support 4 1080p monitors. I personally prefer having a desktop so I don't have to mess with docking/plugging in my laptop to a ton of cables when the desktop does a better job anyway. The desktop as serves as my media consumption station and is connected to the TV.
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#40Core i7? PC Hardware hit a usability plateau with the Core 2 Duo. For modest tasks, my 4.5 year old thinkpad and home desktop are both Core 2 Duo and perform most tasks fabulously. I do look forward to an upgrade but I have thought the same thing that this article states - that PCs are lasting much much longer than they used to. What is more interesting is smaller hardware. Mini-ITX systems, The RaspberryPi, and ATME…
AES-NI is the big one. Improvements to VT-x and VT-d for virtualization performance and security are other big ones.
Pure CPU clock hasn't been increasing, and number of cores isn't useful for many tasks due to difficulty programming, but CPU features are still a big deal. FMA with Haswell is going to be a big deal too.