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Gurus of 90s Web Design: Zeldman, Siegel, Nielsen

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Re: Gurus of 90s Web Design: Zeldman, Siegel, Nielsen

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That early 2000s CSS/design blogosphere was such an interesting place; I was just in high school at the time but loved following Dave Shea, Andy Budd, Doug Bowman, Shaun Inman, Mike Davidson, and probably a whole bunch more I'm forgetting now.

I remember Shaun Inman, did he do Mint?

Yeah, the website stats thing; I was a paid user of it heh.

Re: Gurus of 90s Web Design: Zeldman, Siegel, Nielsen

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Back in the 90s I used to host my websites on geocities. We had this trick of displaying the website in a two frames layout, 0% top 100% bottom. That way the publicity banner would be invisible. Unfortunately none of my websites got archived successfully, part because of that.

I made a fan website for the movie Matrix, I wish I could see it today. It was awesome. Lots and lots of effects.

Re: Gurus of 90s Web Design: Zeldman, Siegel, Nielsen

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Back in the 90s I used to host my websites on geocities. We had this trick of displaying the website in a two frames layout, 0% top 100% bottom. That way the publicity banner would be invisible. Unfortunately none of my websites got archived successfully, part because of that. I made a fan website for the movie Matrix, I wish I could see it today. It was awesome. Lots and lots of effects.

http://pagina.de/dr.enigma - apparently was indexed, but badly (I believe because of the frame tricks)- https://web.archive.org/web/20250000000000*/pagina.de/dr.eni...

http://i.am/supermatrix - was not. =(

I don't have the original URL, just the redirects. GeoCities had weird URL patterns, thus the redirect links. Man, I would pay money to get access to those websites.

Re: Gurus of 90s Web Design: Zeldman, Siegel, Nielsen

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They paved the way to the semantic web, which paved the way to Google extracting the data and building its own maps, shopping, and answers, and ratings and images and a bunch of other experiences on top of it and taking over traffic that would have gone to the web sites instead. Then AI scraped the same and now web traffic is becoming even less web. Flash made the web an experience - a place to visit and explore way before the metaverse. Web standards extracted the data. Now it’s pre-chewed and digested down to a AI answer.

Re: Gurus of 90s Web Design: Zeldman, Siegel, Nielsen

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I always had more respect for Nielsen’s lineage of human-computer interaction than I did for Nielsen himself. At the time I remember thinking how neither designers nor classic HCI people (or programmers) really got the web. Nielsen was at least focused on the web, but the problem is that he was fixated on user expectations for a brand new medium without recognizing that it was early days and would inevitably evolve.…

Ben Shneiderman's the "hyperlinks should always be blue" guy. ;) https://blog.mozilla.org/en/internet-culture/why-are-hyperli... https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29897811 Seriously, while he was the first to use blue for links in HyperTIES, there was a historical context (like the IBM PC's color palette), and he never meant it in a "640k ought to be enough for anybody" way. His reasons for recommending blue are b…

Ahh, memories. Ben was the advisor for my Master's thesis...

Re: Gurus of 90s Web Design: Zeldman, Siegel, Nielsen

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Great books. One of the authors looks like now is a climate denier, so I wonder myself about the existance of technical approach detached from the scientific one

You're letting one thing leak into another too much. This is why I never bother paying attention to political leanings of the actors and musicians that I love. I simply don't care, unless they're out there kicking puppies for fun I don't really care.

Re: Gurus of 90s Web Design: Zeldman, Siegel, Nielsen

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Back then, it felt like he was one of the rare few people who was actually focused on serving the needs of the user. Those were the days when too many sites thought it was a good idea to show a Flash splash screen before entering a site, and designers seemed to have a grudge against text that was big enough for a normal person to read.

Teenage me thought there was NOTHING cooler than a flashy splash page and those micro bitmap fonts a la "silkscreen". Who am I kidding I still think it's awesome.

I miss my 90s / 00s active desktop with random gifs of battlemechs walking around.

Re: Gurus of 90s Web Design: Zeldman, Siegel, Nielsen

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> Did I hit a nerve? You're choosing to deflect and patronize, but not provide any further credibility to your unwarranted comparison. That speaks for itself. > Don't you have some NFTs to shill at Denny's Applebee's Max? You have no idea who I am or what I support, not everyone is a little caricature in your mind. This kind of negative attitude has no place in this forum.

You haven't taken the opportunity to prove you're not full of shit by contributing anything constructive to this conversation. Go reply to my other comments or other people's comments if you disagree with anything I've said or have something to add, but nobody wants to hear financial advice or blockchain evangelism from you, so please stop obsessing about that, because it's not relevant or interesting or credible.

More deflection and moving goalposts, and now ad hominem. Still nothing substantial, and certainly nothing constructive. Just one argumentative fallacy after another.

There is no value in speaking with you any further, your entire demeanor is toxic and ignorant. Take a hike.

Re: Gurus of 90s Web Design: Zeldman, Siegel, Nielsen

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This article put Nielsen in the corner of "technically correct", but the influence he had on me at least was a strong focus on "empirically correct". i.e. doing actual tests (with humans) on what kind of things work to convey information. He did this to the detriment of "looking good", which is why his stuff ended up looking "hopelessly outdated", but I think he was on the right side of the fight.

I always had more respect for Nielsen’s lineage of human-computer interaction than I did for Nielsen himself. At the time I remember thinking how neither designers nor classic HCI people (or programmers) really got the web. Nielsen was at least focused on the web, but the problem is that he was fixated on user expectations for a brand new medium without recognizing that it was early days and would inevitably evolve.…

I read it more as "blue and underlined" because if we all do that users have a chance at learning what to expect. With an implied: Once they are confident we can be much more flexable.
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