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Google is using AI to censor independent websites like mine

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Re: Google is using AI to censor independent websites like mine

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You (and others) keep using "stealing" and "robbing". I get emotions are high because of the impact of AI, but in no meaningful/legal sense is this true. Is there space for nuanced/critical discussion?

They come to your site record all your content and show it at the top of the page like they wrote it. When someone does that with a book, a movie or science paper it's called stealing. What would you call it?

that's not how AI results work.

Re: Google is using AI to censor independent websites like mine

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I can't get past the sloppy and inflammatory use of English here. This is not 'censorship'. It probably isn't banning, nor is it 'shadowbanning'. Google tunes its algorithms and lets the chips fall. Some win, some lose. While I understand how Google's dominance in search can have outsized effects on Internet commerce, the writer has near-zero credibility with me based on their writing. Honest people making honest sta…

>Honest people making honest statements don't need to exaggerate to make the point.

First i want to congratulate you on waking up from your 10 year coma.

That statement is no longe true. Nowadays you have to lie and exaggerate to make a point. That's just how things work

Re: Google is using AI to censor independent websites like mine

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I can't get past the sloppy and inflammatory use of English here. This is not 'censorship'. It probably isn't banning, nor is it 'shadowbanning'. Google tunes its algorithms and lets the chips fall. Some win, some lose. While I understand how Google's dominance in search can have outsized effects on Internet commerce, the writer has near-zero credibility with me based on their writing. Honest people making honest sta…

He says that when he was invited to Google to discuss the matter, they said: And Google gave us a clear and unequivocal apology. Google said our sites didn’t deserve our shadowbans, and that it wasn’t our fault. Whether Google itself used the term "shadowban" or not, they clearly acknowledged the drastic effect of their algorithms that favor "AI". So we know what he means.

Would be good to see the receipts of the apology.

Re: Google is using AI to censor independent websites like mine

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> Zuckerberg saw them coming though [...] even Bezos saw it coming, that why Amazon bought Twitch. Which pertains to my reply... how? > Musk saw it coming with Twatter Musk saw nothing coming. He bought twitter in 2022 after getting baited into making a binding offer. Twitter was a household name at least a decade before that: news networks had direct twitter interactions and mentions at least as far back as the 2012…

> > Musk saw it coming with Twatter > And although it's been turned private and delisted, it's estimated to be worth just a fraction of what he paid for it. I'd just stick with "he tried to back out of it and had to be sued to buy it" as evidence that musk didn't forsee anything. It is a bit (darkly) amusing that the document required him to buy the company buy not pay the severance listed in it when firing people. A…

Grok is from xAI, a company he separately funded. It wasn’t part of the acquisition of Twitter.

Re: Google is using AI to censor independent websites like mine

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> > Musk saw it coming with Twatter > And although it's been turned private and delisted, it's estimated to be worth just a fraction of what he paid for it. I'd just stick with "he tried to back out of it and had to be sued to buy it" as evidence that musk didn't forsee anything. It is a bit (darkly) amusing that the document required him to buy the company buy not pay the severance listed in it when firing people. A…

Grok is from xAI, a company he separately funded. It wasn’t part of the acquisition of Twitter.

> [1] xAI was founded by Musk on March 9, 2023

> [2] Elon Musk completed the acquisition of Twitter in October 2022

xAI would've just been an AI division of Twitter if Musk wasn't worried that Twitter was going to go bankrupt and take the company (xAI) with it (Twitter). It's extremely suspicious that Grok was available to paying X subscribers and not some other arrangement.

"Separately" funded is pretty thin. It's the same group of people funding xAI [3] as Twitter acquisition [4].

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XAI_(company)

[2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twitter#2022%E2%80%93present

[3]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XAI_(company)#Financial_histor...

[4]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acquisition_of_Twitter_by_Elon...

Re: Google is using AI to censor independent websites like mine

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It's not a shadow ban if people can read what you wrote. Just like if I stab you it's not a mugging. Words have meaning.

It's a soft shadow ban if you don't show up in searches, and that goes for every platform.

They do show up in searches [1].

They're upset because they show up in a search _below_ the "AI Overview" which means people do not click through to their site. The search result still occurs; nobody wants to read it in addition to the AI Overview.

Feel how you want about a company making revenue from not intended to be free labor but it's not a shadow ban.

[1]: https://www.google.com/search?q=travel+lemming+visit+peru

Re: Google is using AI to censor independent websites like mine

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Ahh, acknowledged. However, please understand, they also have a massive AI division. It was led for years by John G. He just got ousted from the position. They're just not very good at AI in their own walled garden. It's not for a lack of trying.

Ironically, they're not "good" at it because they're fighting their own privacy and security features in IOS and MacOS. Siri can't do everything because there isn't a full pants-down mode for OS features. "Siri, adjust my schedule to work in a 30 minute walk this afternoon." "Siri, find a photo of a Koala, turn it into a cartoon, and make a logo for my Github project." Coordinated actions are what we're looking for,…

You might be interested in Sky, which is supposedly coming later this year:

https://sky.app/

(Check the link to the MacStories article at the bottom to get a great overview of the capabilities.)

Also, Siri / Apple Intelligence is bound to the local processing power as everything is handled on-device - compared to other AIs that can use the computing power of a whole datacentre.

Re: Google is using AI to censor independent websites like mine

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Ye, Apple just doesn't support PWAs fully because they're "pretty content with the money they may from the app store".

Apple web app support for home screen apps is better than Android PWA today. Prime example being push notification support, where Android has random 10 minute latencies added because they don't want to fix the service worker startup problem.

> Apple web app support for home screen apps is better than Android PWA today.

No, it's not, Apple hides it behind a "share" link that had nothing to do with installing a PWA, the most incongruent UX in the whole OS, God knows why

Re: Google is using AI to censor independent websites like mine

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Ye, Apple just doesn't support PWAs fully because they're "pretty content with the money they may from the app store".

Apple web app support for home screen apps is better than Android PWA today. Prime example being push notification support, where Android has random 10 minute latencies added because they don't want to fix the service worker startup problem.

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Re: Google is using AI to censor independent websites like mine

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He says that when he was invited to Google to discuss the matter, they said: And Google gave us a clear and unequivocal apology. Google said our sites didn’t deserve our shadowbans, and that it wasn’t our fault. Whether Google itself used the term "shadowban" or not, they clearly acknowledged the drastic effect of their algorithms that favor "AI". So we know what he means.

Would be good to see the receipts of the apology.

Given the kind of scrutiny that Google faces from regulators all over the world, you can be 100% sure there is no physical record of the apology. They wouldn't allow it.
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