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The Polymarket users betting on when Jesus will return

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Re: The Polymarket users betting on when Jesus will return

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Post by wat10000 »

CyrsBel wrote: post #313
SketchySeaBeast wrote: post #161

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He revealed himself to them and only them, ignoring the rest of humanity all over the globe. In all the universe he chose just earth for his people, and over all of earth, he just chose a tiny section to reveal himself to. Omniscient and omnipotent but a very human scale for his messaging.

Who said he ignored the rest of humanity? That's not what the record shows. Most people know about God. Who said that in all the universe he chose just earth? You're assuming too much about the motivations. I do not see what the issue is with a "very human scale" for messaging. That's...how you communicate with humans.

“ That's...how you communicate with humans.”

Right. Why would the omnipotent creator of the universe communicate the same way I do?

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Post by monetus »

kjkjadksj wrote: post #265
SketchySeaBeast wrote: post #161

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He revealed himself to them and only them, ignoring the rest of humanity all over the globe. In all the universe he chose just earth for his people, and over all of earth, he just chose a tiny section to reveal himself to. Omniscient and omnipotent but a very human scale for his messaging.

You are reading too hard into the specifics. The general themes are remarkably conserved across faiths. Even between monotheistic and polytheistic faiths, we see what is a pantheon of gods in the latter become just different forms of the monotheistic god in the former. The same myths when they are distilled. Zeus is Yahweh is Ahura Mazda is Indra is Thor is Itzamna is Baiame, fundamentally all the creator sky god. Of…

The lack of originality is proof that God exists. First time I've heard that tbh.

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Post by einpoklum »

blendergeek wrote: post #21

This article fails to address that most true believers would not see any point to betting on the yes. If Christ returns this year, the world is done and there is no upside to having bet that he would. Temporal things (like prediction markets) will cease to be interesting when Christ returns. Given that, I highly doubt that the people betting yes actually believe that Christ will return this year.

Markets will cease to be interesting?

I see you have not yet been blessed by the gospel of Supply-Side Jesus:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gc-LJ_3VbUA

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Post by singleshot_ »

lo_zamoyski wrote: post #303
water-data-dude wrote: post #135

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I feel like some of the angels would probably be able to calculate very large primes easily. I’m not an angeloligist, but maybe the ones that are wheels all covered in eyes.

Angelic intellects exist in the aevum. They are incorporal. They have no need to engage in discursive reasoning like we do, no need to calculate.

They might have no “need” to do so, but aren’t we aware of at least one of theses beasts that exists more or less only to fuck with people?

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Post by JohnMakin »

cj wrote: post #252
JohnMakin wrote: post #140

I can shed some light on this, maybe - In the year before the 2020 election, a market opened on predictit called "Will Hillary run for president? Yes/No" First this was a reasonable market, but quickly it became obvious she wasn't running (because she repeatedly said she wasn't, there was no campaign created at all, absolutely zero indicators she was running because she wasn't). Predictit allowed a comment section wh…

This is a reminder of how prediction markets don't always accurately estimate probability of events happening. The most interesting part of the article IMO was the fact that the 3% probability is artificially high because there is no one willing to take the otherside of the bet, because betting "No" requires you to give your money to the prediction market for 6+ months, and if you're only getting a 1% return if you w…

> This is a reminder of how prediction markets don't always accurately estimate probability of events happening.

I'm well aware that people believe that these markets are accurate estimators of probability of events, but I've (as a life long gambler) always viewed it as a measure of people's confidence in an event happening at a particular probability. People are wrong/delusional at scale all the time (think of the mandela effect), it can be the case that large groups of them converge on the right outcome via market forces, but it kind of makes the big assumption every participant is in good faith, rational, and informed.

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Post by wat10000 »

fortran77 wrote: post #306
SketchySeaBeast wrote: post #161

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He revealed himself to them and only them, ignoring the rest of humanity all over the globe. In all the universe he chose just earth for his people, and over all of earth, he just chose a tiny section to reveal himself to. Omniscient and omnipotent but a very human scale for his messaging.

> He revealed himself to them and only them, ignoring the rest of humanity all over the globe That's absolutely not true. First of all, there was an enormous crowd of people: 600,000 families--millions of people--who received the revelation on Mt. Sinai. And secondly, G-d offered the Torah to all the peoples of the world. ( https://www.sefaria.org/Sifrei_Devarim.343.2?lang=bi ) It's a fundamental principle of Judaism…

And how do we know that millions of people received this revelation? We only “know” this if we take this particular tribe’s myths to be fact.

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Post by 47282847 »

krapp wrote: post #326
CyrsBel wrote: post #305

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Jesus was a socialist? Was that before or after he used supernatural powers to increase the quantity of food instantly? Easy to be a "socialist" in such cases, but let's not pretend that there's any serious economic theorizing being done when people say this about Jesus. It's usually just a convenience for people looking to grift or instigate. lmao.

People call Jesus a socialist because of the numerous times he commanded people to distribute their wealth to the poor and needy, help the sick, forgive debts and treat immigrants with respect and dignity. No one is literally claiming that Jesus was espousing some kind of proto-Marxist economic theory so much as pointing out that in the context of modern (specifically American) political discourse, Jesus would be con…

> At this point the Overton window of what constitutes "socialism" has drifted so far that anyone to the left of Ayn Rand might as well be a tankie.

This. Thank you.

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Post by lo_zamoyski »

paulryanrogers wrote: post #34

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I presume your experience is limited to the parochial world of American Evangelical Christianity, or perhaps anecdotal, informed by your experience with intellectually unsophisticated people. Dawkins and his ilk used to love to pick on these poor people, because it’s so easy, even for a philosophical and theological rube like Dawkins.

But you are certainly not describing the intellectual muscle and heft of the Catholic tradition. You don’t stand a chance.

Materialists, by contrast, either never realize the incoherence of their naive position, or double down, consigning themselves to ever greater absurdities (yes, I am looking at you, eliminativism).

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Post by SketchySeaBeast »

ivape wrote: post #331
SketchySeaBeast wrote: post #161

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He revealed himself to them and only them, ignoring the rest of humanity all over the globe. In all the universe he chose just earth for his people, and over all of earth, he just chose a tiny section to reveal himself to. Omniscient and omnipotent but a very human scale for his messaging.

When Michael Jackson does a concert, it’s really only in a few locations. It’s up to the world to spread it. As others have mentioned, he could show up in the sky like Mufasa, but he could also just brain wash you in an instant and fix all of it. Faith is a concept, like so many other concepts. It is a unique creation that has properties, one of them is that it’s not meant to be provable that easily.

Yeah, I don't really buy that. God revealed himself directly to Moses and Moses was still able to ignore him or go against his wishes and still had to come to faith on his own terms. Both faith and free will are a great bottomless pits to throw any philosophical or logical incongruities into.

> When Michael Jackson does a concert, it’s really only in a few locations. It’s up to the world to spread it.

In this example, what is up to the world to spread for Michael Jackson? Is god a singular entity with a specific location? I'm sure Michael would have happily shown up in every place on earth if he could have sold tickets.

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