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Re: Why Good People Leave Good Jobs

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Post by MartinCron »

anthonyb wrote: post #34
MartinCron wrote: post #30

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OP is a wanker. Wah-wah The rest of your post was really good, you don't need to debase it with that kind of pointless drivel.

On the contrary - I thought it was a pretty accurate description of the article, especially when you have statements like: Expect to spend 2 to 3 years learning how the company works, though it may be longer before opportunities arise. And people think millenials are entitled. Sheesh.

I don't have a problem with the message. I have a problem with the tone.

Re: Why Good People Leave Good Jobs

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Post by maximilianburke »

sanxiyn wrote: post #16
maximilianburke wrote: post #12

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I think it depends on the candidate's situation. If they had a series of 1-2 year stints at companies that were interrupted by the company going out of business I wouldn't hold that against them because it could just be bad luck. If they were laid off repeatedly (with the company still surviving) it would make me question why their name always seemed to make it onto the layoff list. If they changed jobs repeatedly ev…

Thanks. An interesting perspective from a manager. I have a question. It stands to reason that one would want to avoid searching for candidates because it is expensive and time-consuming. But why especially to fill a position that one recently filled? Is it just sunk cost fallacy? I mean, it doesn't seem to change anything from what I can see.

There are two reasons. The first is that presumably I passed on all the other candidates to go with my selection for a reason. Now that the best candidate for the position has decided to leave I must now go back and likely revisit those who I passed over.

The time is also a big one too. It takes a long time sometimes to fill roles so the group is going to be a man down until a new person is hired.

Re: Why Good People Leave Good Jobs

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Post by mindcrime »

maximilianburke wrote: post #49
mindcrime wrote: post #42

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As a manager I would consider two years to be the minimum commitment for full time employment. So, wait... you're saying you want employees to commit to you for 2 years, no matter how bad the job turns out to be ? Ok, so are you going to commit to the employee for a minimum of 2 years, no matter how bad the employee turns out to be ? Or are you just trying to have your cake and eat it to? Employees don't exist to mak…

Did you read the sentence after that? Hopes and dreams are great. If you leave because you're unhappy I'll wish you all the best. However if you find that the grass isn't greener on the other side of the fence and re-apply after being on the job for only 9 months in the first place, I'll probably pass on you as I'll still have it in my mind that you left your old team down a man with the same work to do. It's far fro…

Did you read the sentence after that? Hopes and dreams are great. If you leave because you're unhappy I'll wish you all the best. However if you find that the grass isn't greener on the other side of the fence and re-apply after being on the job for only 9 months in the first place, I'll probably pass on you as I'll still have it in my mind that you left your old team down a man with the same work to do.

Sure, and the corollary is, if a firm lays somebody off after 6 months because their numbers for the quarter took a dip, the employee should pass on them if they come calling wanting them back.

After that point? If you're unhappy with your work, or want to try something new, I'll help you find something better. I hired you because I thought you'd be a good fit for the company and ideally I'd like that relationship to continue. To that end I'll ask the all people I know to see what's open and hopefully find you something that's engaging.

That's a good outlook to have. Glad to hear it. That earlier bit just came off a little bit as "The employee owes us something, but we don't owe them anything in turn." All I'm saying is that "fair is fair."

My experience is that very few firms feel any sense of loyalty to their employees, but they want their employees to be loyal to them. That's what I have a problem with.

Re: Why Good People Leave Good Jobs

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Post by SatvikBeri »

anthonyb wrote: post #34
MartinCron wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

OP is a wanker. Wah-wah The rest of your post was really good, you don't need to debase it with that kind of pointless drivel.

On the contrary - I thought it was a pretty accurate description of the article, especially when you have statements like: Expect to spend 2 to 3 years learning how the company works, though it may be longer before opportunities arise. And people think millenials are entitled. Sheesh.

I've posted before how I saved a previous employer millions of dollars. That was mostly during the 3-9 month period after I joined. Their response was...nothing. After a bunch of politicking, I got offered a promotion doing work I didn't want to do, with a timeline of getting promoted about 9 more months after my major accomplishment. And companies wonder why their best employees leave.

Re: Why Good People Leave Good Jobs

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Post by SatvikBeri »

michaelochurch wrote: post #23

OP is a wanker. Wah-wah, Millennials are entitled and don't want to do 70 hours per week of our grunt work, and they leave before they burn out and we can fire them. People should leave jobs as soon as they realize they aren't going to learn or grow where they are. This can happen after 8 years, or 3 months. Companies don't promise to employ people for 3 years regardless of whether they are any good, so why should an…

I've always viewed staying at the same company for a very long time (10+ years) as a potential red flag. Your fastest growth comes from a new company or new position. And anecdotally, most of the more successful people I know have had an average job tenure of 2-4 years.

Re: Why Good People Leave Good Jobs

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Post by anthonyb »

MartinCron wrote: post #51
anthonyb wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On the contrary - I thought it was a pretty accurate description of the article, especially when you have statements like: Expect to spend 2 to 3 years learning how the company works, though it may be longer before opportunities arise. And people think millenials are entitled. Sheesh.

I don't have a problem with the message. I have a problem with the tone.

But not a problem with the tone or content of the original article? Maybe it's because I'm Australian, but if the OP is a wanker, I don't see a problem with calling him on it.

Re: Why Good People Leave Good Jobs

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Post by MartinCron »

anthonyb wrote: post #56
MartinCron wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't have a problem with the message. I have a problem with the tone.

But not a problem with the tone or content of the original article? Maybe it's because I'm Australian, but if the OP is a wanker, I don't see a problem with calling him on it.

The tone of the original article isn't as relevant as that's not as directly a part of the community as the comments here.

If the article doesn't belong, then it should be flagged, right?

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