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Re: The Polymarket users betting on when Jesus will return

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Post by thatjoeoverthr »

If Jesus returned, people wouldn't believe it unanimously; it would be a scissor like everything else. (I don't even want to give examples.)

Conversely, if Jesus has not returned, some people can be convinced that he has.

Which brings me to the criteria. What are acceptable criteria? Maybe, "will a plurality of people believe that Jesus has returned in 2025?"

Eschatological cults routinely convince small numbers of followers that the end is coming. Hustlers do this all the time. I've been told personally, directly, that we know the date. It's coming. (The date in question came and went.)

Given the above, could 2025 be the year of Deep Fake Jesus?

Deep Fake Rapture?

Re: The Polymarket users betting on when Jesus will return

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Post by klipt »

api wrote: post #93
paulryanrogers wrote: post #34

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Is that how the rich men are squeezing into heaven these days?

"It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of the needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven"

There's a theory that the eye of the needle was a narrow gate in Jerusalem's city wall that was notoriously hard for camels to squeeze through. But seems the hard evidence for that is limited.

Re: The Polymarket users betting on when Jesus will return

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Post by vkou »

Tijdreiziger wrote: post #169
hatradiowigwam wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Statistics and wagering aside, IMO, he'd fair poorly (like the previous visit). If I remember correctly...his first visit was prophesied to end exactly as it did. His next visit is prophesied to be a little different - to paraphrase...he is coming with an army to make war on the beast and all [humans] who follow him. Instead of a spotless robe like earlier depictions - this robe is drenched in blood, and he has a s…

But what evidence supports the theory of heaven and hell? I mean, according to the Hindus and Buddhists, we’ll be reincarnated rather than going to heaven/hell. We could read the Bible, or the Qur’ān, or the Vēdas, or the Buddhist scriptures, or any other religious text… but how would we know whether any of them holds truth?

That's the whole point of faith. You're supposed to believe despite evidence.

Re: The Polymarket users betting on when Jesus will return

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Post by tdb7893 »

hatradiowigwam wrote: post #154
jordanb wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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The message IS clear...but I don't see the same message as you. Solomon was /beyond/ rich. So was David. So were countless people that are destined for heaven(as in, Jesus describes them being in heaven in the new testament). Those people all did some things we can see and talk about - and possibly many things we did not see, do not know, and can not talk about. At the very least, those people we know are in/destined…

'I don't believe their being or not being rich is part of the calculus for "getting into heaven" as you said' -> I think viewing that some rich people go to heaven as Jesus not explicitly condemning rich people (which he clearly does multiple times) and not him showing the unlimited power of God's grace is a misreading of the text.

The subsequent verses are much less quoted but very explicit about this: And looking at them, Jesus said to them, “With people this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.”

This is supported by other text where Jesus says explicitly what people should do with money:

Jesus said to him, “If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me"

So anyway it's very clear that using money selfishly (which is what many Christians do) is clearly not what God wants from us, it's just that God can love us for our imperfections and sin, which in my view is sorta the main idea behind the New Testament. God wants us to love each other like he loves us, and he would certainly give up his money for us since he even gave up his own son, but accepts that we will be more selfish than that.

Re: The Polymarket users betting on when Jesus will return

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Post by FajitaNachos »

ecocentrik wrote: post #164

The discussion in Polymarket revolves around the trustworthiness of the market creator and their resolution criteria. Any discussion here that doesn't consider those things is missing the forest for the trees. The market isn't really about Jesus. Jesus is just the engagement hook. It's the reason this post has 147+ comments on Hacker News and $500k+ in market transactions on Polymarket. There's very little stopping t…

The settlement criteria for most of these is pretty strict and clearly laid out in the terms.

> The resolution source for this market will be a consensus of credible sources.

That is pretty sparse, but I suspect Polymarket has a vested interest in making sure this resolves appropriately (as noted in the article). I do like the use of the guineapig with rizz anyway.

Re: The Polymarket users betting on when Jesus will return

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Post by lurk2 »

kelseyfrog wrote: post #84
recursivedoubts wrote: post #38

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That is not true: with God all things are possible.

Could God make a man so rich that even he wouldn't let him into heaven?

No. Similarly, God cannot make a married bachelor, because this is nonsensical. The conversation then turns to questions about how we define God’s omnipotence: Doesn’t the existence of any sort of limitation placed upon God imply he is bound by higher principles and thus not omnipotent?

Possibly; but this may just be a lack of imagination on our part. For example, can God abanlqhgfznsjks? Probably not, because that particular string was just a random assortment of keys that I pressed; it conveys nothing meaningful, so to ask if God could abanlqhgfznsjks might not really be asking anything at all.

Re: The Polymarket users betting on when Jesus will return

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Post by jagged-chisel »

Tijdreiziger wrote: post #169
hatradiowigwam wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Statistics and wagering aside, IMO, he'd fair poorly (like the previous visit). If I remember correctly...his first visit was prophesied to end exactly as it did. His next visit is prophesied to be a little different - to paraphrase...he is coming with an army to make war on the beast and all [humans] who follow him. Instead of a spotless robe like earlier depictions - this robe is drenched in blood, and he has a s…

But what evidence supports the theory of heaven and hell? I mean, according to the Hindus and Buddhists, we’ll be reincarnated rather than going to heaven/hell. We could read the Bible, or the Qur’ān, or the Vēdas, or the Buddhist scriptures, or any other religious text… but how would we know whether any of them holds truth?

You have faith that your choice is the right one!

Re: The Polymarket users betting on when Jesus will return

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Post by 1-more »

ivape wrote: post #47
paulryanrogers wrote: post #34

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Keep in mind true believers often learn to live with a massive cognitive dissonance This is quite true. Taking away just the moral teachings is not true belief. Revelations is serious business stuff, the apostles watched Christ ascend from Mount Olive, it’s extremely trippy things. True believers are literally believing in wild shit. In fact, if you are true believer, you almost need to keep it hidden because it’s go…

> The closest science has gotten was to actually corroborate that, yes, this was all not infinite and had a starting point (big bang), literally corroborated let there be light.

Georges Lemaître, one of the original articulators of the Big Bang was a Catholic priest. He did not appreciate Pope Pius XII characterizing his research as confirming "let there be light." There are many references to criticism he received for publishing a theory that meshed well with "let there be light," however I am not able to find any primary sources for them.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georges_Lema%C3%AEtre#Views_on...

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