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The Polymarket users betting on when Jesus will return

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Re: The Polymarket users betting on when Jesus will return

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> Statistics and wagering aside, IMO, he'd fair poorly (like the previous visit).

If I remember correctly...his first visit was prophesied to end exactly as it did. His next visit is prophesied to be a little different - to paraphrase...he is coming with an army to make war on the beast and all [humans] who follow him. Instead of a spotless robe like earlier depictions - this robe is drenched in blood, and he has a sword coming out of his mouth. Here's the passage immediately following description of this second coming(Revelations 19).

“Come, gather together for the great supper of God, 18so that you may eat the flesh of kings, generals, and the mighty, of horses and their riders, and the flesh of all people, free and slave, great and small.”

I don't think this visit is supposed to be like the previous one. I strongly encourage you all read this book(the bible) and take it to heart. You aren't my friend, or someone that I know - but it would give me no pleasure at all to know you were spending eternity in hell. We don't get down seeing people suffer, or "you'll all be sorry when you see I'm right!!!" style feelings. If those true believers seem like a bunch of elitist jerks who are always putting you down instead of helping you up, those are /NOT/ true believers. Those are true assholes.

Re: The Polymarket users betting on when Jesus will return

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I've been involved in prediction markets for a while, and this story highlights why I'm now more optimistic about using AI than crowdsourcing humans.

So much, possibly the vast majority, of intellectual energy that goes into prediction markets is not about forecasting. Like the example Eric gives of “This Market Will Resolve No At The End Of 2025”, it's about arbitrage, it's about edge cases, it's about interest rates, it's about resolution disputes, it's about sniping the dumb money faster than others.

Prediction markets are a brilliant way to incentivize accuracy and good research. But you don't see much of that on Polymarket.

Re: The Polymarket users betting on when Jesus will return

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This article fails to address that most true believers would not see any point to betting on the yes. If Christ returns this year, the world is done and there is no upside to having bet that he would. Temporal things (like prediction markets) will cease to be interesting when Christ returns. Given that, I highly doubt that the people betting yes actually believe that Christ will return this year.

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Even worse, they spend every cent on stupid prepper bullshit like freeze dried rations!

Rations will not help you or your family if civilization breaks down. Without a literal army, you are no more powerful than the ones who did nothing to prepare. All rations do is ensure that you starve to death a month later than expected.

Even better, those of you that collected guns and ammo as a hobby are about as prepared as the people who jokingly collect bottle caps in reference to Fallout. You have ensured you die first.

If you are not currently capable of planting, tending, and harvesting an entire acre of potatoes every year, you will not survive post civilization. If you do not have a stable of oxen and a simple machine shop to repair the old fashioned steel plow you own, you will not survive. If you do not already have fully formed pest control, without chemical inputs or external solutions, you will not survive.

It took humanity thousands of years to develop agriculture. Farming isn't a game. You will not pick it up after the end of civilization. You will not get it right on the first try. You will not reinvent it while hungry. Even if you get lucky and nothing goes wrong for a few growing seasons, you WILL have a failed crop eventually, and you will starve. Even successful farming is an eventual death sentence without civilization.

People who prep for "after the end" are not serious people. If you had a serious concern about the potential fall of civilization, you would not buy food and bullets, you would be throwing every resource you have at improving democratic representation and access, to prevent civilization from falling.

It might not be possible to restart if we kill it.

Prepping is like trying to develop a backup strategy after the datacenter has already burned down. Even if you are successful, have you really, honestly, considered what success looks like?

Re: The Polymarket users betting on when Jesus will return

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Keep in mind true believers often learn to live with a massive cognitive dissonance This is quite true. Taking away just the moral teachings is not true belief. Revelations is serious business stuff, the apostles watched Christ ascend from Mount Olive, it’s extremely trippy things. True believers are literally believing in wild shit. In fact, if you are true believer, you almost need to keep it hidden because it’s go…

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They struggle with reality testing. How could the magical stuff be real? Let me just believe the moral stuff, etc. It’s not always easy.

Re: The Polymarket users betting on when Jesus will return

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Jokes aside, it would be interesting to see if the people betting "yes" are also placing predictions on events after 2025 since truly believing in Christ's return that year should make many irrelevant.

This would be less revealing than you'd hope. If NASA did a press conference this afternoon telling you that there was an inbound planet-killer that would annihilate us in six weeks, you'd still brush your teeth tonight. It wouldn't be that you'd didn't believe them either, it's that your mind isn't rational in the way that we like to flatter ourselves. Your mind's this big burlap sack of agents, and they aren't in p…

I would brush my teeth so my mouth tastes better in the morning

Re: The Polymarket users betting on when Jesus will return

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Matthew 24:36: But of that day and hour no one knows, neither the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone. Mark 13:32: But of that day or hour, no one knows, neither the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.

And yet, people have been making those predictions for close to 2000 years.

Re: The Polymarket users betting on when Jesus will return

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I can shed some light on this, maybe -

In the year before the 2020 election, a market opened on predictit called "Will Hillary run for president? Yes/No"

First this was a reasonable market, but quickly it became obvious she wasn't running (because she repeatedly said she wasn't, there was no campaign created at all, absolutely zero indicators she was running because she wasn't). Predictit allowed a comment section where people worked themselves into a frenzy every time some hillary "news" dropped that somehow secretly indicated she was running a phantom campaign. She missed primary registration deadlines - that only made the "Yes" market move up. There were still people hammering Yes up until a few weeks before the actual election and they closed the market.

Anyway it was the same thing. Low % "Yes" and 95+% "No." However, I found an edge holding on to a "baseline" Yes I'd established (1-2%, I can't remember) and just sell the waves of "news" that would spike it to 5+%. Then buy again at the baseline. There were a lot of shenanigans in the comments and people attempting to move the market with various tactics - it was a wild ride and one of my favorite markets I'd ever studied/participated in.

There are probably some true believers in the "Yes" jesus purchasers here but I imagine a lot of what I'm describing here too.

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