Does it really matter what a court finds, anymore? We don't exactly live in law-abiding times.
It depends on which community the ruling affects.
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#212Does it really matter what a court finds, anymore? We don't exactly live in law-abiding times.
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#213So when do prices go back down?
No way major corps will lower prices. Just like during covid they'll find excuses. Until a regulatory body investigates them for price fixing nothing will change. So nothing will change. During covid, the soda companies kept raising prices. They claimed supply chain. Then, I think it was the SEC(probably wrong), stepped in and said "We're gonna investigate ya for price fixing" and suddenly soda prices went back down.
Sadly, DOGE probably fired all the people in the SEC and other agencies that would have gone after corporate price fixing from this current debacle. Hard to believe that this administration may have made prices worse than the Biden administration.
Actually, its not hard to believe, its totally Trumpian.
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#215Does it really matter what a court finds, anymore? We don't exactly live in law-abiding times.
A lot of people really seem to think this is the end of everything. But there are two options here. One is that some other irrelevant and obscure law from 200 years ago is dug up and used to justify the tariffs and another long court battle begins. The other is that the ruling is simply ignored, just like many others, and half the country will cry that the courts are being ignored and justice will rain down soon, and…
> and half the country will cry that the courts are being ignored and justice will rain down soon, and the other half will say hell yeah, ignore those woke courts.
Thing is, I think support for these tariffs is way less than 1/2 of the country. Even parts of MAGA have been expressing doubt about the tariffs (or at least the hamfisted way they've been implemented).
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#216Earlier quoted context omitted.
Codifying tariffs would also mean they probably can't change it every day to different numbers, no?
Potentially they can codify broader authority for executive to regulate tariffs…
Too much of that should, but probably won't, set off every alarm and siren with the conservative justices, for stepping way over the line, after their reasoning on Chevron.
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#217Earlier quoted context omitted.
Congress seems to want a king?
A plurality of Americans voted for this government, for better or worse. The courts are one of the primary avenues for the minority to express their will, but they move slowly, although slightly faster than congress.
The courts are one of the primary avenues when the other two branches don't fully ignore them. Trump has clearly demonstrated that he doesn't care what courts say unless it supports him, both in criminal court and when they rule against his executive actions (see: deporting citizens illegally despite it neing explicitly ruled he can't do that). That is the big reason so many fear that the American democracy is giving its last breaths.
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#218Not saying this is good or bad, but this doesn’t seem surprising. Isn’t the point of our government structure to stop any one person from acting like a king. I’m surprised it took this long.
> Isn’t the point of our government structure to stop any one person from acting like a king. America clearly forgot the workplace if this was the intent. I would also stop holding your breath if you're expecting courts to start acting in our interest.
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#219Earlier quoted context omitted.
There are no “attacks on people’s voting rights.” It’s a canard Democrats trot out to energize their base, just like Republicans trot out lies about election fraud. For example, studies show voter ID doesn’t reduce turnout (but also doesn’t reduce fraud). https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/2/21/18230009/v... . Gerrymandering doesn’t affect the presidential election. But the GOP won the House popular vote by…
You are so dead wrong I don't even know where to start. Gerrymandering doesn't affect the presidential election? Surveys show how everyone would have voted? Do you even hear yourself?
There are attacks on people's voting rights, but gerrymandering actually doesn't affect the presidential election in the US. The electoral votes are chosen by statewide popular vote, except in Maine and Nebraska.
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Well, sure. a trade court is a symptom of trade. You don't have a trade court without trade, just like you wouldn't have a family court without family or a traffic court without traffic. But the entire premise of the private market is competition, or else it's just a blight on humanity. So the idea of a trade court seems a little silly at best, or actively enabling the worst hypothetical behavior of capitalism at the…
> entire premise of the private market is competition, or else it's just a blight on humanity. So the idea of a trade court seems a little silly at best You think private markets can exist without laws (and by corollary, venues in which to adjudicate them)?
Yes, they are the default. What do you think ancaps think about all day? It ain't fucking democracy.