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US Trade Court finds Trump tariffs illegal

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Re: US Trade Court finds Trump tariffs illegal

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

duxup wrote: post #9

The GOP controls the house and senate. Congress controls tariffs. If they followed the law congress could make the thing happen. But I don't think think independent thinking is allowed in the GOP, and it might force their hand if they had to actually put it to a vote ...

They have a narrow so small that passing tariffs would still be politically difficult even though they control both chambers, and that is not even considering a filibuster.

I hope this judgement stands, however, trade actually works out really well for the US economy and its job market. Yes, we don't often manufacture the thing, but we have huge roles in designing those things and packing them with software. Even China is trying to get in on that while they offload manufacturing to robots and countries that are earlier on in their development.

Re: US Trade Court finds Trump tariffs illegal

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Post by eru »

ivape wrote: post #8

I'm a little worried about this. This president may take out this setback on innocent people. I don't think it's out of the question that he may start a war.

In the US the president doesn't have the authority to start a war.

Congress has the exclusive power to declare wars per the constitution.)

(Obviously, in practice that's about as relevant congress having the sole authority over taxes, including tariffs.)

Re: US Trade Court finds Trump tariffs illegal

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Post by duxup »

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #21
duxup wrote: post #9

The GOP controls the house and senate. Congress controls tariffs. If they followed the law congress could make the thing happen. But I don't think think independent thinking is allowed in the GOP, and it might force their hand if they had to actually put it to a vote ...

They have a narrow so small that passing tariffs would still be politically difficult even though they control both chambers, and that is not even considering a filibuster. I hope this judgement stands, however, trade actually works out really well for the US economy and its job market. Yes, we don't often manufacture the thing, but we have huge roles in designing those things and packing them with software. Even Chi…

It would be difficult, but arguably everything has been difficult for the congressional GOP as even when they ran the house during the last cycle they could barely operate.

They struggled to pick leaders among their own party members numerous times.

Re: US Trade Court finds Trump tariffs illegal

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Post by sidvit »

duxup wrote: post #9

The GOP controls the house and senate. Congress controls tariffs. If they followed the law congress could make the thing happen. But I don't think think independent thinking is allowed in the GOP, and it might force their hand if they had to actually put it to a vote ...

The republicans leadership in the house has put mechanisms in place to prevent reps from challenging the tarrif laws. I don’t think it’d be a cake walk for them to do it through the legislative branch

Re: US Trade Court finds Trump tariffs illegal

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Post by duxup »

eru wrote: post #17
duxup wrote: post #9

The GOP controls the house and senate. Congress controls tariffs. If they followed the law congress could make the thing happen. But I don't think think independent thinking is allowed in the GOP, and it might force their hand if they had to actually put it to a vote ...

Wouldn't they still have to deal with filibusters?

The bigger problem would be their own party members.

Re: US Trade Court finds Trump tariffs illegal

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Post by ivape »

eru wrote: post #22
ivape wrote: post #8

I'm a little worried about this. This president may take out this setback on innocent people. I don't think it's out of the question that he may start a war.

In the US the president doesn't have the authority to start a war. Congress has the exclusive power to declare wars per the constitution.) (Obviously, in practice that's about as relevant congress having the sole authority over taxes, including tariffs.)

He only has to notify Congress within 48 hours, and if they don't approve it, those troops can stay deployed for up to 60 days. I'm just saying, he has already shown he's very interested in finding every loophole possible.

Re: US Trade Court finds Trump tariffs illegal

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Post by [deleted] »

duxup wrote: post #23
seanmcdirmid wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They have a narrow so small that passing tariffs would still be politically difficult even though they control both chambers, and that is not even considering a filibuster. I hope this judgement stands, however, trade actually works out really well for the US economy and its job market. Yes, we don't often manufacture the thing, but we have huge roles in designing those things and packing them with software. Even Chi…

It would be difficult, but arguably everything has been difficult for the congressional GOP as even when they ran the house during the last cycle they could barely operate. They struggled to pick leaders among their own party members numerous times.

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Re: US Trade Court finds Trump tariffs illegal

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

duxup wrote: post #23
seanmcdirmid wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They have a narrow so small that passing tariffs would still be politically difficult even though they control both chambers, and that is not even considering a filibuster. I hope this judgement stands, however, trade actually works out really well for the US economy and its job market. Yes, we don't often manufacture the thing, but we have huge roles in designing those things and packing them with software. Even Chi…

It would be difficult, but arguably everything has been difficult for the congressional GOP as even when they ran the house during the last cycle they could barely operate. They struggled to pick leaders among their own party members numerous times.

It has been hard for the judicial system as well, with Trump ignoring injunctions and orders as if they were just advisory. I wonder if he will try that here as well? "Oh, the court said no tariffs, but I'm not even going to bother with an appeal to the Supreme Court and just use an executive order to invalidate...", here is hoping he doesn't do that.

Re: US Trade Court finds Trump tariffs illegal

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Post by duxup »

tnel77 wrote: post #12

Not saying this is good or bad, but this doesn’t seem surprising. Isn’t the point of our government structure to stop any one person from acting like a king. I’m surprised it took this long.

Checks and balances are good things. Hopefully we see more.
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