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Another way electric cars clean the air: study says brake dust reduced by 83%

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Re: Another way electric cars clean the air: study says brake dust reduced by 83%

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Post by Schiendelman »

linotype wrote: post #63
m101 wrote: post #20

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It is not a troll. I was talking about safety for the drivers in the car that collide with the EV. They are less safe with EVs on the road. When we have marginal electricity pricing, and electric cars necessarily being marginal demand, then they will ramp pricing a lot for all users , not just those driving electric cars. This far outweighs the benefit of grid balancing services (which this green revolution has creat…

> I forgot to mention that once I lost 3% battery in waiting in the heat and air conditioning at a border crossing one time. That glass ceiling is not a good idea in hot climates Unless you were stopped for half a day, that didn’t happen.

Come on, that's perfectly feasible. I've sat for an hour at a border crossing and lost that much on a hot day.

Re: Another way electric cars clean the air: study says brake dust reduced by 83%

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Post by Schiendelman »

Pavilion2095 wrote: post #21

> As it has become more and more untenable for anti-EV propagandists to deny the air quality benefits of EVs, a common refrain from them has become “but tailpipe emissions aren’t everything, what about brakes and tires, huh?!” What is this website? Tell me about the story, don't argue with imaginary haters and trolls. The writing is so poor there.

There are plenty of these sorts of comments here on this post.

Re: Another way electric cars clean the air: study says brake dust reduced by 83%

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Post by Tade0 »

silon42 wrote: post #31
aziaziazi wrote: post #26

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I clean the air because my lungs capture car particles.

That's why I have an e-bike, so I breathe less when cycling/commuting into the city.

My city attempts to promote cycling, but hasn't bothered to first take care of the problem with people heating their homes with solid fuels like coal dust and whatnot.

It's frustrating, because cycling during the heating season is not only unpleasant, but also unhealthy.

Re: Another way electric cars clean the air: study says brake dust reduced by 83%

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Post by AnthonyMouse »

alpaca128 wrote: post #78
jimbob45 wrote: post #51

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A lot of people need trucks for their work. Hispanics in gardening and construction in particular.

Europe has plenty of gardeners and construction projects too, but I see at most one pickup truck per decade and it is always someone who definitely doesn’t need one and drives like they’re in a mad max movie. If you think all truck owners actually need one, count how many of the ones you see are carrying some load and do the math.

> If you think all truck owners actually need one, count how many of the ones you see are carrying some load and do the math.

Okay, let's do the math.

Suppose you need a truck once a week and it costs $100 to rent one. To rent one would then be $400/mo, which you haven't got. You could buy both a truck and a car and only use the truck once a week, but between payment and insurance then that's again several hundred a month over the cost of having only one vehicle.

Or you could buy a truck as your only vehicle. Then you commute in it two ways five times a week, and it hasn't got anything in it on the way back from the once a week you actually needed it, so it's not carrying any load 95% of the time. But you still need a truck because the alternatives are prohibitively expensive.

Re: Another way electric cars clean the air: study says brake dust reduced by 83%

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Post by piva00 »

JoshTriplett wrote: post #68
piva00 wrote: post #42

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Cars are a 20th century fix for the lack of easily available, comfortable, and fast public transportation. It's a shame the USA got stuck in the mid-20th century on that front.

I look forward to seeing public transportation that begins a few feet from my front door and arrives a few feet from my destination, without changing vehicles partway through, for arbitrary destinations.

You can take your car if its existence doesn't infringe on everyone else having a nice city where people can walk. For that to happen your convenience of being able to park anywhere close to your final destination will mostly disappear, you will have to find parking in a parking garage, walk up and down stairs (or take an elevator) to get to the street, and walk to your destination.

I don't advocate for the extinction of cars, you can have it, just don't expect whole cities to be catered for your individualistic choice of mode of transportation and we are fine.

Re: Another way electric cars clean the air: study says brake dust reduced by 83%

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Post by alpaca128 »

llampx wrote: post #94
alpaca128 wrote: post #78

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Europe has plenty of gardeners and construction projects too, but I see at most one pickup truck per decade and it is always someone who definitely doesn’t need one and drives like they’re in a mad max movie. If you think all truck owners actually need one, count how many of the ones you see are carrying some load and do the math.

Europe has plenty of massive white vans.

And how many of those are used by people who don’t need a massive white van?

Re: Another way electric cars clean the air: study says brake dust reduced by 83%

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Post by piva00 »

cyberax wrote: post #66
piva00 wrote: post #42

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Cars are a 20th century fix for the lack of easily available, comfortable, and fast public transportation. It's a shame the USA got stuck in the mid-20th century on that front.

Yep. Transit was invented to help move workers from massive factories into living areas. Definitely a 20-th century thing. And EVs are from the 21-st century. They are here to fix the utter inhumanity of dense cities, and eventually throw them into a dustbin of history.

EVs are just a change in fuel, nothing else changes, it's ludicrous to think they will solve anything related to why cities become denser, I can't even comprehend the logical steps you have to take to think that.

Dense cities exist because there's value in living close by to other amenities provided by dense cities.

There's no way out of denser cities, amenities will pool around where more people live just by sheer economies of scale (serving more people with less infrastructure). You still have the choice to opt out of that, live far away and have more space, the trade-offs with or without EVs will be the exact same.

Re: Another way electric cars clean the air: study says brake dust reduced by 83%

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Post by AnthonyMouse »

lostlogin wrote: post #76
cyberax wrote: post #34

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It's the inverse. Bikes are a temporary 19-th century fix for the lack of easily available personal cars.

It took me 15 mins to get home 8km away just now. My colleague has a 500m shorter route and took 55mins. Cars are better?

You're supposed to do something about the traffic. Like build more housing so commutes are shorter distances.

Re: Another way electric cars clean the air: study says brake dust reduced by 83%

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Post by lnsru »

olex wrote: post #86
lnsru wrote: post #85

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Have Tesla with badly corroded rear brake discs. Software does clearly not help here. It was very bad at the end of winter. Now it’s getting better in spring. I am curious how does it look in autumn. Trying to use mechanical brakes occasionally. I had same story with corroded rear brakes on BMW. The solution was mechanical handbrake.

Which one do you have? I had the same issues with my '19 M3P, all the brakes were badly corroded a year into the lease. Apparently the software to keep this under control came a bit later into the lifecycle, and is not very effective if the problem is already apparent. Anecdotally, what was _very_ effective at cleaning up the brakes was blasting it for a couple laps around the Nürburgring Nordschleife - the grooves /…

Model Y AWD which saw its first winter recently. So the software should be the recent one. Left side is much worse than right side. Quality problem? Maybe swapping discs before winter could save them. Or replace them before TÜV check, the parts aren’t that expensive.

Re: Another way electric cars clean the air: study says brake dust reduced by 83%

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Post by Tade0 »

nosianu wrote: post #95
Tade0 wrote: post #23

Audi had an interesting proposition regarding making electric cars actually clean the air as opposed to just avoiding emissions: https://www.audi-mediacenter.com/en/press-releases/audi-urba... ICE cars already do that in a way, as they suck a significant amount of air through their intake filters (CADR = displacement x RPM). Audi's filter was supposed to have been more fine-grained to catch brake dust and tire partic…

That reminds me of a Louis de Funès movie ("La Zizanie", film de Claude Zidi de 1978) Air cleaning scene: https://youtu.be/lpmxrgrbKDc (French) (He was responsible for first poisoning the air by burning tires, so that he could demonstrate his machine to the potential Japanese investors) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Zizanie_(film) This Audi proposal is somewhat similar in my mind. They want to profit from both par…

You've reminded me that I was taught French early enough to instinctively follow the rhythm of the language, but today that alone won't suffice if the vocabulary isn't there.

I've known Louis de Funès from Les Gendarmes and such classics as La Soupe aux choux or L'aile ou la cuisse.

I didn't know the movie you linked, but now I'm thinking I'll pick up French again - if only to hear the whole body if his work in its original language.

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