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Re: Advice to Tenstorrent

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I’m amazed this is even viewed as a “hot take” tbh most of what he said here is pretty high level of abstraction and standard practice for custom hardware. In essence I feel like he’s saying nothing really controversial other than publicly calling out TT for too many abstraction layers (and tbh it’s just in a readme). This is completely fine, he’s a user and this is his experience.

I’m a dev working on torch.compile at meta (previously I worked on ML focused FPGAs) and the approach I would use is build a static graph compiler, use torch.compile (and probably JAX) as graph extraction front-ends and call it a day. I feel like hardware companies don’t know how to handle the flexibility of PyTorch and as a result develop their own APIs which is mistake #1 and virtually makes it impossible to get any market penetration once you head down that path because nobody will ever ever rewrite their models for your hardware when they don’t even know what perf they will get, the risk is just too high. As a result, hardware companies offer inference APIs which hide all of this behind a REST API to basically paper over the lack of generality of the software/hardware interface. This is convenient because then nobody actually knows the perf/$ and they can burn VC money for as long as they want. Whether this is a viable business model or not, we will have to wait until they go public to actually see what their true inference costs are.

To sum it up, start from PyTorch and work your way down to your hardware, this is the only general way if you want to actually sell chips and not just constantly port the model of the day to your hardware.

Re: Advice to Tenstorrent

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Then I don't get the point you're trying to make. >Earning “cred” for past accomplishments doesn’t give someone a free pass forever to be a loud mouth. What the ... ? Sorry, but you don't have to earn that. I suggest you familiarize yourself with human rights, particularly if you won the lottery and were born in a country like the US; it is very clearly written, in unambiguous terms, the rights their citizens enjoy.…

> What the ... ? Sorry, but you don't have to earn that. I suggest you familiarize yourself with human rights, particularly if you won the lottery and were born in a country like the US; it is very clearly written, in unambiguous terms, the rights their citizens enjoy. This is obtuse. I obviously wasn’t talking about human rights or the 1st amendment. I was saying it’s illogical to suggest that because someone did on…

Yeah, the dude has managed to catch nobelitis for the amazing achievement of…jailbreaking iOS as a teenager.

Re: Advice to Tenstorrent

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> What the ... ? Sorry, but you don't have to earn that. I suggest you familiarize yourself with human rights, particularly if you won the lottery and were born in a country like the US; it is very clearly written, in unambiguous terms, the rights their citizens enjoy. This is obtuse. I obviously wasn’t talking about human rights or the 1st amendment. I was saying it’s illogical to suggest that because someone did on…

Yeah, the dude has managed to catch nobelitis for the amazing achievement of…jailbreaking iOS as a teenager.

>jailbreaking iOS as a teenager

Let's see your code.

comma.ai is an impressive achievement on its own!

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Not trying to flame or anything but what is your age? As someone in my early 30's who grew up on message boards/gaming the language he is using is fairly mild. I think we just have very different social norms.

> As someone in my early 30's who grew up on message boards/gaming That’s an extremely low bar. Nobody would bat an eye about a random person speaking like this on a gaming Discord or a message board. Posting public messages as a public figure with an audience to a company is not the same as Call of Duty voice chat.

Yes and to me it is a fine tone for all of 'hacker' culture if you will. Perhaps not if you were giving a presentation to your boss, but as this is a message between peers it seems fine.

If it were on x it would seem fine.

Re: Advice to Tenstorrent

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Guy would really benefit from learning some manners. Just comes across as painfully toxic no matter how correct he is. edit: For what it's worth, if you can't see that this language is rude or think it is somehow acceptable for people of a certain caliber to talk this way - you're also probably toxic.

He doesth come acrosth as tothic. Yucky! Georgie hotsth u r yucky and tocthic!

Guess I'm too much of a "limp wrist milquetoast" for your tastes. Good luck with all that.

Re: Advice to Tenstorrent

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What a bunch of absolutely limp wrist milquetoasts hackernews is / has become. So much pearl clutching over the “tone”. Oh dear. I thought this polemic was amusing and am sure comes from a place of genuine concern.

Exactly. I do not remember this site being so delusional. Everyday it is becoming more an example of a failed institution. This is how mind viruses work.

Re: Advice to Tenstorrent

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Definitely not. Pretty sure he has full control...don't think even took outside capital but not 100% certain on that one

As near as I can tell from a brief search, geohot left comma in 2022

He regularly does live streams about it. Maybe he left the board or something but he still very much runs the show in practice
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