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Re: The WinRAR approach

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There are some clues: https://x.com/WinRAR_RARLAB/status/1703723906945691890 Most of their revenue comes from corporate licenses.

I don't understand why companies pay for those licenses -- what are the use cases where you have to use WinRAR instead of 7-Zip or something else?

WinRAR compression winow is more ergonomic for certain workflows

Re: The WinRAR approach

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But I don’t think this is actually the WinRAR approach, which I think is much more about getting money from companies whose compliance, legal, licensing, etc. cannot tolerate the idea that they’re technically violating a license like that.

Re: The WinRAR approach

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The DAW Reaper also uses a similar approach and for that alone I would highly recommend anyone interested in audio production give it a try. Everyone else in the industry uses online activation. Whenever they take those servers down you lose your ability to install and use the software you bought. With programs like WinRar and Reaper, even if the company producing it disappears tomorrow and takes all their servers wi…

Reaper does it really well. It's just a minor nag ("hey, you used Reaper for xx:xx hours, would you consider paying?") and a 5-second wait on startup (not on every startup even, I think on every system reboot or something).

KeepassXC nags me once a year to donate on the dude's birthday. DDU, WizTree, and Sublime also nag. And ShareX. I've donated to most of them now that I'm not broke. I only hope that other users do too so that the creators can be nicely compensated for their efforts.

Re: The WinRAR approach

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> Same for MS-DOS, at least in the early years Same for Windows throughout its history, at least for home use. But unlike WinRAR, Windows didn't run on goodwill. MS understood the power of market share and network effects. The staying power of Windows in the enterprise comes from every new hire being familiar with Windows, its concepts, maybe even the tooling. The home user gets its dose for free because the enterpri…

Arguably the same is true for WinRAR. Nowadays is .zip or .7z, but .rar was very common for a long time, and wouldn't have been if WinRAR wasn't available for effectively free.

But 7zip (the app) opens .rar files. How does that work? Does WinRAR not own the file format?

Re: The WinRAR approach

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Arguably the same is true for WinRAR. Nowadays is .zip or .7z, but .rar was very common for a long time, and wouldn't have been if WinRAR wasn't available for effectively free.

But 7zip (the app) opens .rar files. How does that work? Does WinRAR not own the file format?

They do and as far as I know you cannot make a rar file without WinRaR or some other authorized software

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAR_(file_format)

Re: The WinRAR approach

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Arguably the same is true for WinRAR. Nowadays is .zip or .7z, but .rar was very common for a long time, and wouldn't have been if WinRAR wasn't available for effectively free.

Rar is still common to this day for the same reason since the beginning: The scene standardized around rar in the 90s (after arj). https://scenerules.org/

That's mostly because it allows files to be split up in parts, and as such making incremental transfers easier in case a connection is lost, right?

Re: The WinRAR approach

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Reaper does it really well. It's just a minor nag ("hey, you used Reaper for xx:xx hours, would you consider paying?") and a 5-second wait on startup (not on every startup even, I think on every system reboot or something).

KeepassXC nags me once a year to donate on the dude's birthday. DDU, WizTree, and Sublime also nag. And ShareX. I've donated to most of them now that I'm not broke. I only hope that other users do too so that the creators can be nicely compensated for their efforts.

I kinda like sublime's approach. It only asks when I repeatedly spam ctrl+s to save the file. But never on the first save. Only when I spam it five or so times.

I like to think the developer specifically targetted this "redundant consecutive save" behavior knowing many users do this.

But it's probably more like "every X saves, only after Y time period since last nag", which only coincidentally triggers for me when I spam the save shortcut

Re: The WinRAR approach

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> WinRAR became infamous for offering a "30-day trial" that never actually expired. Instead of cutting off access or locking features, it simply asked users to consider purchasing it if they found it useful. It ran on goodwill No, it did not. It ran on annoyance. If you wanted to avoid having to dismiss the "30-day trial" dialog on startup, you needed to pay. And some people paid. I'm not saying that it was immoral,…

I think the real infamy comes from the fact that it says that it's a 40-day trial, but in reality it doesn't have a time limit and it's not enforced in any way. Similarly, you can make e.g. wallpapers with a Buy button, but if you're willing to spend just a bit extra effort you can get them for free, even if it's not completely obvious initially

Re: The WinRAR approach

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> If you're familiar with WinRAR, the Windows file compression tool, you'll know where this is going. WinRAR became infamous for offering a "30-day trial" that never actually expired. I remember Paint Shop Pro being even more famous for this. I certainly got to day five hundred and something of the 30 day trial. I seem to remember an interview with the creator where he was grateful even to users that didn't pay becau…

Sublime Text is another one. I paid for it, back when I used it, but everyone else I worked with simply dismissed the message after every n saves.

Re: The WinRAR approach

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It's different from HN, because back than e.g. a license of Visual Studio could easily cost as much as an annual income of a person in some/many countries.

It still does, yet I don't advocate for piracy.

I advocate for regional pricing.
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