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CAPTCHAs are over (in ticketing)

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Re: CAPTCHAs are over (in ticketing)

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Post by politelemon »

nikolayasdf123 wrote: post #30

how about on-device biometrics? most of traffic is from mobile devices anyways. they have biometrics (e.g. Apple FaceID, fingerprint). they also have DeviceCheck (Apple Hardware + Apple servers) integrity checks of device/binary that is making requests. it is also free and private. why using this technology is not part of conversation? seems like utmost strongest guarantees and perfect fit?

It is not "free" as you must buy such a device, nor is it most of traffic, and its privacy is questionable. A solution to the problem area here needs to cater to people outside the HN echo chamber.

Re: CAPTCHAs are over (in ticketing)

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Post by nikolayasdf123 »

politelemon wrote: post #51
nikolayasdf123 wrote: post #30

how about on-device biometrics? most of traffic is from mobile devices anyways. they have biometrics (e.g. Apple FaceID, fingerprint). they also have DeviceCheck (Apple Hardware + Apple servers) integrity checks of device/binary that is making requests. it is also free and private. why using this technology is not part of conversation? seems like utmost strongest guarantees and perfect fit?

It is not "free" as you must buy such a device, nor is it most of traffic, and its privacy is questionable. A solution to the problem area here needs to cater to people outside the HN echo chamber.

As a developer or website or app, I don't need to buy a device. User has to buy it, as it is theirs device. And chances are, they are on the iphone or other apple device already. And if not, they are on Android, which has comparable biometrics options.

Are you claiming that owners of websites have to purchase laptops for their website visitors?

And are you claiming that Apple has worser privacy than Android? or ... holdon, there is nothing else (Huawei is out of the question, and MSFT/Symbian does not exist anymore)

this is crazy talk. what are you even saying?

Re: CAPTCHAs are over (in ticketing)

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Post by calcifer »

muti wrote: post #43
thatguy0900 wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I could see an issue with that since most people are going to be going to events in a group, and won't want to go unless everyone gets their ticket. If I wanted to go with three people, do you lottery us as a group or individually? If I want to go with 5 people and there's a lottery, the best thing to do would be have multiple people buy 5 tickets each, multiply that by every group and you have a lot of people buying…

Require the intent to include ticket holder names/id and check it on entry to the venue, multiple intents for the same group can be deduplicated

The article addresses that:

> Of course it also harms real buyers who want to go to a concert with a +1 but do not yet know who they will bring.

Re: CAPTCHAs are over (in ticketing)

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Post by teeray »

markasoftware wrote: post #37
teeray wrote: post #33

> The naive economic solution to the problem would be raising ticket prices step by step until it is no longer attractive for scalpers to resell your ticket You can also just do like The Cure did and destroy the secondary market entirely: you can sell tickets through the platform and only for what you paid for them.

how does this prevent the scalper communicating with the buyer to demand an out-of-band payment?

If all tickets are the same price, then any buyer-seller combination will do. I believe the seller doesn’t get to choose the buyer and both are anonymous. No way to coordinate such an out-of-band payment.

Re: CAPTCHAs are over (in ticketing)

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Post by amai »

What about this schema:

The first ticket you buy costs the normal price. The second ticket costs twice the price. The third ticket is four times the price and so on.

Scalpers who buy many tickets at once will go bankrupt before they can buy all the available tickets.

Re: CAPTCHAs are over (in ticketing)

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Post by teeray »

clipsy wrote: post #39
londons_explore wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I suspect the key thing is that the industry really wants scalpers, but must appear to act against them.

> I suspect the key thing is that the industry really wants scalpers Why?

Because Live Nation’s fees are based on ticket price. That incentivizes them to drive prices and transaction volume as high as possible.

Re: CAPTCHAs are over (in ticketing)

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Post by arp242 »

nikolayasdf123 wrote: post #30

how about on-device biometrics? most of traffic is from mobile devices anyways. they have biometrics (e.g. Apple FaceID, fingerprint). they also have DeviceCheck (Apple Hardware + Apple servers) integrity checks of device/binary that is making requests. it is also free and private. why using this technology is not part of conversation? seems like utmost strongest guarantees and perfect fit?

So how would this work in concrete terms? How will this stop bad-faith actors who will go out of their way to abuse/fake things? How does it solve the "BAP theorem"? You can't just sprinkle a term like "on-device biometrics" and declare that solves it.
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