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CAPTCHAs are over (in ticketing)

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Re: CAPTCHAs are over (in ticketing)

#11
How about: each user creates an account with their legal ID. Obviously unique so they can’t create multiple using the same ID. Before the sale, everyone signs up. Once the sale is started, tickets are distributed using a lottery system for the users who signed up (so refreshing like mad doesn’t give any advantage). Can only buy up to 2 tickets per person (their own and an anonymous companion). ID must be shown and would be verified at entrance.

If you wanna be even more strict: You could allow up to X companions, but they must not have signed up with their own account (so they don’t have an advantage for doing so). And they must provide their ID before the event as well and arrive as a single party.

Re: CAPTCHAs are over (in ticketing)

#12

I'd rather see bot resistance (important for everyone) and privacy (important for everyone) take precedence over accessibility (important for a small minority) and have laws change to reflect that.

I disagree that bot resistance is important to anyone, or even a reasonable goal for anyone at all. Bots are just users

Re: CAPTCHAs are over (in ticketing)

#14

I'd rather see bot resistance (important for everyone) and privacy (important for everyone) take precedence over accessibility (important for a small minority) and have laws change to reflect that.

I disagree that bot resistance is important to anyone, or even a reasonable goal for anyone at all. Bots are just users

Bots are not just users in the battle against spam.

Re: CAPTCHAs are over (in ticketing)

#15
> So what’s left?

If the profit per successful abuse event is $200, the author's suggestion of limits on credit card numbers or phone numbers won't work either. Those are only effective against scaled abuse up to something like $1 / event. Bank accounts would almost certainly be more robust, but that seems quite hard to implement outside of a handful of countries where the online auth ecosystem is built around banks.

With generic abuse background, but not knowing anything about the ticketing abuse ecosystem, is doing the sales on a first-come-first-serve basis an absolute necessity from a business perspective? There would be a lot more tools available if the problem was reframed from "decide instantly whether to sell this buyer a ticket" to "decide which 10k of these 100k intents of purchase received during the first 24h to sell the tickets to". And by more tools, I mean offline analysis and clustering, not just a lottery.

(You'd still want to combine that with strongly personalized tickets though. It'd be how you address for bots-as-a-service, not how you address buying tickets to resell.)

Re: CAPTCHAs are over (in ticketing)

#16
Sell at the economic equilibrium price (determined by auction) and whoever actually enters the venue receives the difference between the auction price and the desired price by the organizer in cash or maybe in form of a coupon for their next concert.

Re: CAPTCHAs are over (in ticketing)

#18

How about: each user creates an account with their legal ID. Obviously unique so they can’t create multiple using the same ID. Before the sale, everyone signs up. Once the sale is started, tickets are distributed using a lottery system for the users who signed up (so refreshing like mad doesn’t give any advantage). Can only buy up to 2 tickets per person (their own and an anonymous companion). ID must be shown and wo…

I think you just described something similar to the Japanese system

Re: CAPTCHAs are over (in ticketing)

#19
The option that strikes me as missing, is making users pay a cost before they are randomly entered in a lottery for the ticket.

So, for example, everyone pays $0.01 on their credit card, or does a holding charge on their credit card, or registers their identity. All in a 5 minute (or 1 day!) window. And then after the window, tickets are randomly distributed amongst every card which so registered.

You could check multiple things - phone and card and Government ID if necessary (lowering the privacy).

This also feels fairer and less stressful - instead of a lottery based on your internet access, or ability to run lots of browsers at once.

This feels harder for scalpers to do to me, as they need more fake identities, but I'd be curious about the actual ratios when trying it. What goes wrong?

Another one I predict is that you can't buy digitally. For examples, the Lewes fireworks display you have to buy tickets in person in a bookshop in Lewes. Doesn't help if you make a digital ticketing system though!

Re: CAPTCHAs are over (in ticketing)

#20
post #16

Sell at the economic equilibrium price (determined by auction) and whoever actually enters the venue receives the difference between the auction price and the desired price by the organizer in cash or maybe in form of a coupon for their next concert.

That results in unbounded offers.
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