Here's what they built, https://x.com/ID_AA_Carmack/status/1925243539543265286 Quite exciting. Without diminishing the amazing value of LLMs, I don't think that path goes all the way to AGI. No idea if Carmack has the answer, but some good things will come out of that small research group, for sure.
Isn't that what Deepmind did 12 years ago?
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#12Here's what they built, https://x.com/ID_AA_Carmack/status/1925243539543265286 Quite exciting. Without diminishing the amazing value of LLMs, I don't think that path goes all the way to AGI. No idea if Carmack has the answer, but some good things will come out of that small research group, for sure.
Isn't that what Deepmind did 12 years ago?
I do agree that it is not particularly groundbreaking, but it's a nice "hey, here's our first update".
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#14Bro went his whole career and managed to somehow create a gig for himself where he gets the AI money while playing Atari. It's hard to increase the respect for someone who you already maxed out on but there we go. Carmack is a cool guy.
Although Carmack is the quintessential not-a-brogrammer.
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Although Carmack is the quintessential not-a-brogrammer.
I've never actually seen a brogrammer though, I've seen people who program only because they get money for it, I thought for a while those where it, but I'm not sure if I think they qualify either.
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#16A lot of the problems John mentioned (camera jpeg, latency, real time decisions) have been worked on by comma.ai for many years. He could have just used their stack and build on it the general learning parts that comma is not focusing on.
It's still a lot better to really learn and discover it yourself to really get it.
Also it's hard to determine how much time someone spent on particular topic.
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#17Here's what they built, https://x.com/ID_AA_Carmack/status/1925243539543265286 Quite exciting. Without diminishing the amazing value of LLMs, I don't think that path goes all the way to AGI. No idea if Carmack has the answer, but some good things will come out of that small research group, for sure.
Isn't that what Deepmind did 12 years ago?
Re: John Carmack talk at Upper Bound 2025
#18A lot of the problems John mentioned (camera jpeg, latency, real time decisions) have been worked on by comma.ai for many years. He could have just used their stack and build on it the general learning parts that comma is not focusing on.
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#20Earlier quoted context omitted.
I've never actually seen a brogrammer though, I've seen people who program only because they get money for it, I thought for a while those where it, but I'm not sure if I think they qualify either.
It means “programmer I don’t like”. Very versatile insult and vague enough that it’s impossible to defend against.