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Re: OpenAI to buy AI startup from Jony Ive

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> Ive won’t be joining OpenAI, and his design firm, LoveFrom, will continue to be independent, but they will “take over design for all of OpenAI, including its software,” in a deal valued at nearly $6.5 billion

Wow, that's... unexpected. In the video they were saying "merging" but I guess reality shows something else. So he's pretty much gifting a nice amount of OpenAI stock to his friend, and also handing over all design responsibilities. Nice.

Some of the best combinations are when either of the parties would absolutely thrive on their own.

Ideally then a merger would be most formidable if it was greater than the sum of its parts.

Things are rarely ideal and it can also be quite formidable when it's only equal to the sum of its parts.

Or even "less-than-equal" if it's really affordable, depending on the combined resources, or even one-sided resources.

None of this really means any "merging" of tasks or facilities, or combining business structures, etc.

There's such a huge amount of options and possibilities just from different approaches and levels of equity and cash consideration.

A merger can completely engulf the smaller company, with a logical transition plan to deprecate its separate identity (sometimes for better or worse) and assimilating it into part of an established structured monolith. Or even creating a new monolith altogether in combination. OTOH it can be done so there are virtually no changes to either org up and down almost their entire separate structures, with only a handful of operators at the top adjusting to equally influential changes which are purely in financial elements alone.

This is not completely unlike Ive getting paid in advance to work his magic. Except it looks like he was up to new tricks starting a couple years ago, with sama's encouragement. Or is that more like deferred compensation? If it's going to be insanely great there's probably so much work to do, there wouldn't even be time to spend an extra billion dollars or so, plus that's a lot of money so it would be best to have a better idea if it's really worth spending before you go whole hog too.

A couple years ago it was probably a good bet that something big could come out of a collaboration. And it could really be worth money someday. And that idea is now worth more than it was back then. And as good fortune would have it, sama was on a trajectory to be better able to afford it now for quite a high price compared to what it was worth then, and he couldn't have justified it yet back then anyway. I would think Ive has made progress in the last couple years (without spending exorbitant amounts) that impressed sama more than ever too. Imagine what he could do if he had exorbitant amounts :) I guess we'll find out.

Looks like Ive will have quite a bit of resources to finalize designs and ramp up, plus billions more in equity to fall back on if that's not enough. This may just it be what it takes to launch a mass-adoption physical product without having undue pressure to prematurely issue something with any type of shoddiness.

Re: OpenAI to buy AI startup from Jony Ive

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And even people that some people decry as bad and terrible people (for example Elon Musk) still can make amazing leaders that people will willingly drop everything to go work for and who leads them on to achieve great things.

Be careful not to confuse “great leader” with “cult leader”. A great leader is someone who cares about you and helps you surface the best version of yourself. They understand there is a person behind the work and don’t neglect the human side. They mention the team behind projects when talking about successes and don’t blame others for failures. A cult leader is someone with a hypnotic personality who puts themselves…

"cult leaders" are, by definition, "great leaders" - they excel at leading people. Sure, it's better to work for someone that cares about you instead of someone that only cares about themselves. But that doesn't make this a Venn Diagram - there are great leaders who are selfish and narcissistic. There are cult leaders who aren't either.

Re: OpenAI to buy AI startup from Jony Ive

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I am utterly confused. If AGI is around the corner, this means that the economy is going to be destroyed and money are going to lose their meaning. Who is going to buy your AI gadget? Why spend money on that and Windsurf?

And who needs Jony Ive? The AGI can design the devices. It surely will know best?

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Maybe the company is inconsequential and this is just about hiring Ive?

It’s about putting lipstick on OpenAI. They’re in trouble.

After reading it again, I think Ive and his firm will be designing hardware.

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The only people I’ve ever known who actually thought Reddit ever really mattered was people in the HN sphere. Anecdata, but still. In terms of value per minute spent, it’s the same tier of slop as TikTok or Instagram, and I think most ordinary people hold that same view.

Major advertisers are trying to figure out Reddit now, but it's a mixed bag and the costs are high compared to other platforms. It's no longer a niche.

I think they've found it in the form of astroturfing. A medium length post hyping up some brand is so common you've probably seen thousands

Re: OpenAI to buy AI startup from Jony Ive

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I’m as much of a deep Ai skeptic as anyone but I can definitely think of use cases for while driving or walking, like asking questions about my own schedule or what people have emailed or asked me for in the last hour, or where I can get something specific to eat nearby and so on. Not sure it’s worth the hype but there are use cases. I do think it’s an interesting contrast with crypto, where there aren’t really.

What I want is for it to surface information to me, not me have to query it. Where is that AI? For example, if I usually eat between 2-4 PM, and I'm in the middle of time square, start suggesting places to eat based on my transaction history, or location history of restaurants I frequent. Something like that would be useful. If I have to ask, I might as well look at my phone most of the time. It'd likely be faster in…

Not saying it's your exact use case, however, in the "saved info" section of gemini I have a prompt about the llm letting me *know what's on it's mind " along with some other details to where when I am just "chatting" it has brought up relevant books to our previous discussion / projects. Alongside local events (bay to breakers, roots game memorial day weekend, some single events, etc within that first" hello" of our conversations and brought some news to the foreground that was relevant to me, although I wouldn't necessarily seek out that info. It's been so handy to bring relevant info into my hands in an actionable amount of time. Plain Jane gemini didn't offer those amenities but I was able to build them out.

Re: OpenAI to buy AI startup from Jony Ive

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On a dedicated device no less…what’s the point?! You have a phone.

Recently, I've been moving back to 'dedicated items' instead of 'everything on the phone'. It might be an old guy finding a love for vinyl, but having a dedicated camera, a dedicated notebook, a dedicated music player ... makes making photos, writing down notes or listening to music somehow more ... meaningful to me. Maybe because I do not get distracted by the other 999 functionalities of the phone while I am trying…

This isn’t a dedicated device for something a phone app replaced though…assuming it even is a pocket or wearable way to interact with chatgpt…it’s going to need some sort of cell/data service and replace an app that already exists with a whole other device.

I also am rolling back in certain areas, like writing instead of phone notes and such, but the idea of a wearable or portable chat bot device makes zero sense to me. It’s an added cost and yet another thing to lug around.

As it turns out though nobody seems to know _why_ they hired Ive or what they intend him to make.

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Sam is playing 4D chess here. He needs top-tier talent and design to build the next generation of AI hardware, and this move pulls in both capital and talent. Going after Apple—the king of consumer hardware—makes perfect sense: either OpenAI builds the iPhone killer or forces Apple to make a move. They’ve won the web interface so far, but don’t own an OS or device layer, so this helps solve that long-term strategic g…

More like pickleball

Re: OpenAI to buy AI startup from Jony Ive

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A while back someone here on Hacker News made a pretty insightful comment that as great of a designer as Jony Ive is, a large part of his success is owed to the fact that he had an "editor" in the form of Steve Jobs. Once Jobs passed, he no longer really had an editor. It remains to be seen whether Sam Altman / OpenAI in general will be a good editor

I don't think that's true. Apple Watch? Market leading product. Took something very nerdy and made it fashionable enough that people from all walks of life wear it. Got the form factor so right that even a decade later it has changed very little. Of course there were missteps in the quest for thinness with the laptops but I still preferred my Touch Bar MacBook Pro to any non-Apple laptop I've ever used. If that's the…

He's still a great designer, the problem though is that without the right kind of editorializing force he'll make mistakes, usually in the form of compromising practicality and functionality for the sake of aesthetics. I should probably clarify that this isn't some fault unique to Jony Ive. It feels like it's common among designers and probably just creative people in general.
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