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U.S. Spy Agencies–One-Stop Shop to Buy Your Personal Data

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Post by dragonwriter »

ramesh31 wrote: post #36
gxs wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If WWI with a followup WWII reminder hasn't done it, not sure what will

>If WWI with a followup WWII reminder hasn't done it, not sure what will It did it; for two generations. The GI's and the Silents were the most civic minded generations we ever had. But those were our grandparents (or great grandparents) now, and living memory has finally faded. Here's hoping it doesn't take another Passchendaele or Hiroshima to reignite it.

> It did it; for two generations.

On the specific issue of internal surveillance and its abuses, that is laughable, given the way that accelerated after WWII, with no substantial attempt at checking it until some fairly limited reforms were adopted in the 1970s after the Nixon-era abuses, with those restrictions being fairly flagrantly ignored (and formally weakened) after 9/11.

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Post by willcipriano »

davidw wrote: post #23
nicholasjarnold wrote: post #14

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"Flood the zone" => The specific strategy put forth and now enacted by the current US admin in order to overwhelm the media's ability to cover issues and therefore by extension the ability for the public at large to keep themselves informed. It's a fundamental attack on one of the pillars of democracy. Mental bandwidth saturation is a feature here, not a bug. Additionally, the gradual removal of personal privacy, and…

The media does plenty of shooting itself in their own feet though. There was tons of coverage of Jake Tapper's book taking time away from everything that is happening right now.

The book about how the media covered up the president's decline?

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Post by gosub100 »

toss1 wrote: post #34
gosub100 wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's never limited to a single administration.

That is trivially true, but stop both-sides-ing it with false equivalency. At this point, the major party in power is doing all they can to undermine democracy and strip-mine the country for their own benefit and that of their few multi-billionaire sponsors. The other party is attempting to herd a broad coalition of people to maintain democracy. Yes, it is imperfect, and the country has fallen often far short of perf…

I'll happily stop both-sides-ing it when people stop emphasizing "the current administration" when it's not relevant to the topic. Your guy lost, learn from your mistakes and carry on. Or criticize both presidents equally. If you criticized Biden in his tenure it was still Trump's fault. Believe me, I tried. It's Logical nonsense.

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Post by ivewonyoung »

toss1 wrote: post #34
gosub100 wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's never limited to a single administration.

That is trivially true, but stop both-sides-ing it with false equivalency. At this point, the major party in power is doing all they can to undermine democracy and strip-mine the country for their own benefit and that of their few multi-billionaire sponsors. The other party is attempting to herd a broad coalition of people to maintain democracy. Yes, it is imperfect, and the country has fallen often far short of perf…

Is my reading of your comment accurate? If not please let us know.

"The party not in power also has been doing similar things(in regards to the article) if not worse over the past couple of decades but lets completely ignore that, not criticize them at all, don't even bring it up and blame only the current admin because..."

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Post by TimTheTinker »

potato3732842 wrote: post #37
ramesh31 wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>If WWI with a followup WWII reminder hasn't done it, not sure what will It did it; for two generations. The GI's and the Silents were the most civic minded generations we ever had. But those were our grandparents (or great grandparents) now, and living memory has finally faded. Here's hoping it doesn't take another Passchendaele or Hiroshima to reignite it.

>It did it; for two generations. The GI's and the Silents were the most civic minded generations we ever had And the mass buy-in resulted in the building of systems, creating of institutions and setting of precedents that were and are being used less than civic purposes. So unfortunately I'm not sure that's sustainable either.

The fact that institutions can be corrupt (or corrupted) doesn't invalidate the concept of an institution. Humans must coordinate their efforts to have widespread impact, and institutions are the de-facto way to coordinate effort: from marriage, the nuclear family, and extended families to local clubs, churches, companies, non-profits, and governments at various levels.

Ever since the counter-culture movement of the 1960s, it's been cool to "stick it to the man", which unfortunately translates to anti-institutionalism too often. Tearing things down never yields a positive result when no good institutions exist or are created to fill the vacuum.

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Post by kevin_thibedeau »

advisedwang wrote: post #33
sixothree wrote: post #3

Even if it is not this particular dataset, are there markets where I can get my own personal information?

In general no. Databrokers are not interesting in doing retail, and especially not interested in transparency.

California residents can force the data broker mafia to delete their records.

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Post by exceptione »

gosub100 wrote: post #44
toss1 wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is trivially true, but stop both-sides-ing it with false equivalency. At this point, the major party in power is doing all they can to undermine democracy and strip-mine the country for their own benefit and that of their few multi-billionaire sponsors. The other party is attempting to herd a broad coalition of people to maintain democracy. Yes, it is imperfect, and the country has fallen often far short of perf…

I'll happily stop both-sides-ing it when people stop emphasizing "the current administration" when it's not relevant to the topic. Your guy lost, learn from your mistakes and carry on. Or criticize both presidents equally. If you criticized Biden in his tenure it was still Trump's fault. Believe me, I tried. It's Logical nonsense.

> I'll happily stop both-sides-ing it when

No, you unconditionally need to stop both-siding. When you want to bring a broader issue in the spotlight, do bring the broader issue in the spot light. But when you feel you are inclined to throw in a bothsidism, which is a negative sum contribution to discourse, then the chance that you actually have an insight on the broader issue is quite small.

> Your guy lost, learn from your mistakes and carry on

As a bystander I can say on behalf of the ones that have been "othered" by means of political marketing, there is no guy. The pressing issue at play is the rule of law, separation of powers, due process, fair elections, and basic respect for human rights. If anyone feels they should continue to shout while waiving the merchandise of their favorite team, if anyone thinks this is the right moment to continue behaving like a spoiled hooligan, then they lose the aforementioned basic prerequisites of democracy, and with that, the democratic constitutional state.

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Post by gosub100 »

exceptione wrote: post #48
gosub100 wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'll happily stop both-sides-ing it when people stop emphasizing "the current administration" when it's not relevant to the topic. Your guy lost, learn from your mistakes and carry on. Or criticize both presidents equally. If you criticized Biden in his tenure it was still Trump's fault. Believe me, I tried. It's Logical nonsense.

> I'll happily stop both-sides-ing it when No, you unconditionally need to stop both-siding. When you want to bring a broader issue in the spotlight, do bring the broader issue in the spot light. But when you feel you are inclined to throw in a bothsidism, which is a negative sum contribution to discourse, then the chance that you actually have an insight on the broader issue is quite small. > Your guy lost, learn fr…

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