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Re: Claude 4

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Post by rogerrogerr »

vFunct wrote: post #120
SkyPuncher wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Gemini is _very_ good at architecture level thinking and implementation. I tend to find that I use Gemini for the first pass, then switch to Claude for the actual line-by-line details. Claude is also far superior at writing specs than Gemini.

Yah Claude tends to output 1200+ line architectural specification documents while Gemini tends to output ~600 line. (I just had to write 100+ architectural spec documents for 100+ different apps) Not sure why Claude is more thorough and complete than the other models, but it's my go-to model for large projects. The OpenAI model outputs are always the smallest - 500 lines or so. Not very good at larger projects, but p…

> I just had to write 100+ architectural spec documents for 100+ different apps

… whaaaaat?

Re: Claude 4

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Post by rokkamokka »

runjake wrote: post #81
thimabi wrote: post #67

It’s been hard to keep up with the evolution in LLMs. SOTA models basically change every other week, and each of them has its own quirks. Differences in features, personality, output formatting, UI, safety filters… make it nearly impossible to migrate workflows between distinct LLMs. Even models of the same family exhibit strikingly different behaviors in response to the same prompt. Still, having to find each model’…

My advice: don't jump around between LLMs for a given project. The AI space is progressing too rapidly right now. Save yourself the sanity.

Isn't that an argument to jump around? Since performance improves so rapidly between models

Re: Claude 4

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Post by saubeidl »

zamadatix wrote: post #86
KaoruAoiShiho wrote: post #61

Is this really worthy of a claude 4 label? Was there a new pre-training run? Cause this feels like 3.8... only swe went up significantly, and that as we all understand by now is done by cramming on specific post training data and doesn't generalize to intelligence. The agentic tooluse didn't improve and this says to me that it's not really smarter.

It feels like the days of Claude 2 -> 3 or GPT 2->3 level changes for the leading models are over and you're either going to end up with really awkward version numbers or just embrace it and increment the number. Nobody cares a Chrome update gives a major version change of 136->137 instead of 12.4.2.33 -> 12.4.3.0 for similar kinds of "the version number doesn't always have to represent the amount of work/improvement…

It feels like LLM progress in general has kinda stalled and we're only getting small incremental improvements from here.

I think we've reached peak LLM - if AGI is a thing, it won't be through this architecture.

Re: Claude 4

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Post by matsemann »

thimabi wrote: post #67

It’s been hard to keep up with the evolution in LLMs. SOTA models basically change every other week, and each of them has its own quirks. Differences in features, personality, output formatting, UI, safety filters… make it nearly impossible to migrate workflows between distinct LLMs. Even models of the same family exhibit strikingly different behaviors in response to the same prompt. Still, having to find each model’…

How important is it to be using SOTA? Or even jump on it already?

Feels a bit like when it was a new frontend framework every week. Didn't jump on any then. Sure, when React was the winner, I had a few months less experience than those who bet on the correct horse. But nothing I couldn't quickly catch up to.

Re: Claude 4

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Post by javier2 »

sali0 wrote: post #51

I've found myself having brand loyalty to Claude. I don't really trust any of the other models with coding, the only one I even let close to my work is Claude. And this is after trying most of them. Looking forward to trying 4.

I wouldn't go as far, but I actually have some loyalty to Claude as well. Don't even know why, as I think the differences are marginal.

Re: Claude 4

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Post by dmix »

runjake wrote: post #81
thimabi wrote: post #67

It’s been hard to keep up with the evolution in LLMs. SOTA models basically change every other week, and each of them has its own quirks. Differences in features, personality, output formatting, UI, safety filters… make it nearly impossible to migrate workflows between distinct LLMs. Even models of the same family exhibit strikingly different behaviors in response to the same prompt. Still, having to find each model’…

My advice: don't jump around between LLMs for a given project. The AI space is progressing too rapidly right now. Save yourself the sanity.

You should at least have two to sanity check difficult programming solutions.

Re: Claude 4

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Post by deciduously »

waleedlatif1 wrote: post #108

I really hope sonnet 4 is not obsessed with tool calls the way 3-7 is. 3-5 was sort of this magical experience where, for the first time, I felt the sense that models were going to master programming. It’s kind of been downhill from there.

This feels like more of a system prompt issue than a model issue?

Re: Claude 4

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Post by dwaltrip »

Recursing wrote: post #134
sali0 wrote: post #51

I've found myself having brand loyalty to Claude. I don't really trust any of the other models with coding, the only one I even let close to my work is Claude. And this is after trying most of them. Looking forward to trying 4.

I also recommend trying out Gemini, I'm really impressed by the latest 2.5. Let's see if Claude 4 makes me switch back.

What's the best way to use gemini? I'm currently pretty happy / impressed with claude code via the CLI, its the best AI coding tool I've tried so far

Re: Claude 4

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Post by [deleted] »

sali0 wrote: post #51

I've found myself having brand loyalty to Claude. I don't really trust any of the other models with coding, the only one I even let close to my work is Claude. And this is after trying most of them. Looking forward to trying 4.

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Re: Claude 4

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Post by tptacek »

jbellis wrote: post #94
tptacek wrote: post #83

Have they documented the context window changes for Claude 4 anywhere? My (barely informed) understanding was one of the reasons Gemini 2.5 has been so useful is that it can handle huge amounts of context --- 50-70kloc?

not sure wym, it's in the headline of the article that Opus 4 has 200k context (same as sonnet 3.7 with the beta header)

We might be looking at different articles? The string "200" appears nowhere in this one --- or I'm just wrong! But thanks!
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