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Re: Sleepbox

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I prefer the MVP I've been using in airports for years: - hoodie - ipod with white noise - mindfold mask (mindfold.com) - inflatable neck pillow - backpack with strap wrapped around my arm - empty gate of any soon-to-be-bankrupt airline It's already paid for, it works great (the mindfold is the secret, believe me), it weighs less that a pound, and I can use it on the plane too.

(Responding mostly because the parent is currently the top-rated comment)

Many travelers undoubtedly fit the parent's description and budget. I don't think it's helpful in this discussion about sleepbox to focus on that. I can certainly see the appeal for people who might be feeling a little more vulnerable (women for example), more willing and able to pay for some extra comfort, or both.

Re: Sleepbox

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post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you not fly enough to have lounge access?

It appears that many airports have gotten rid of lounges, or have super limited hours on them. I was flying through Philly and almost got stuck there overnight. It looked like my options were to get a ~$150/night hotel that was near the airport (no vouchers available since it was 'weather related' despite no bad weather) or just sleep in the airport. I had tried asking if there was a way I could get access to the lou…

The lounges usually close overnight, so they probably wouldn't have helped in this situation.

However, the AmEx Platinum card will let you get into most lounges (if you're flying that airline that day). This easily makes it worth the annual fee for frequent flyers.

Re: Sleepbox

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post #28

In Japan we have long had 'coffin hotels' (or 'capsule hotels', pre-Neuromancer). We also have love hotels, which are expressly designed to be rented for two hours at a time to do whatever nasty, sticky business you can convince somebody to do with you. The changing the linens and whatnot are solved problems. (Some businessman-oriented places have a sealed plastic bag of bedclothes hung in the room... you have to do…

The problem is that you can't just implement the Japanese system in the US. The Japanese are much more respectful of other people's/business's property than Americans and are much less likely to be using drugs (and although prostitution is widespread, the prostitute/john won't trash the place). That's why completely automated vending machine-style systems, such as those used by capsule hotels and many love hotels, ar…

That was my first thought when looking at the boxes. If they were implemented here in Mexico we would have the problem of the random guy wanting to piss but not wanting to get out of the pre-paid sleepbox.

So, he decides to piss in a corner and continue sleeping until he gets out.

Who is going to clean that?

Re: Sleepbox

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post #84

I prefer the MVP I've been using in airports for years: - hoodie - ipod with white noise - mindfold mask (mindfold.com) - inflatable neck pillow - backpack with strap wrapped around my arm - empty gate of any soon-to-be-bankrupt airline It's already paid for, it works great (the mindfold is the secret, believe me), it weighs less that a pound, and I can use it on the plane too.

That works well for you but consider how many business travelers (executives) could easily include a sleepbox as part of their travel requirements.

Re: Sleepbox

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I hope something like this takes off, mostly because I'd buy one for my apartment. A few years back I spent many weeks trying to figure out how to purchase and get shipped one of the Japanese capsule hotel units to my apartment. I found a manufacturer (whose website was entirely in Japanese) and eventually was able to figure out that it wasn't really feasible (getting one of the units shipped to the U.S. was a nightm…

Building one will be much easier, and much more fun. Start by drawing it up in Sketchup or similar. reddit.com/r/diy will be happy to help I think, if you don't know where to start.

Re: Sleepbox

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Wow, what a pleasant surprise to see this familiar (to me) business on HN. I researched Sleepbox extensively while working to found a startup called "NapTime" that would operate napping pods in high-sleep-demand areas (same pain point, different design). Yotel, Metronaps, MinuteSuites, YeloCab, FirstClass Seats (arguably), and several other businesses are similar in concept.

I worked on this startup for about 7 months with 3 other grad students (at the time) and thus have spent way too much time learning about this problem, the challenges involved in addressing it, and prior/existing attempts to do so. We directly interviewed over 100 potential customers for it, managed to track down and talk to other founders in this space, wrote a full business plan, etc. Here are some of my insights:

- Far and away the #1 most commonly asked question we got was: "But won't people have sex in it?" The #2 most common (arguably a corollary) was “How will you keep them clean?” But that’s not the interesting part... the fascinating thing is that you ONLY get these questions when people are envisioning something similar to the Sleepbox (frequently mocked as “Sexbox” or “Sleazebox” in online comment sections and the like). Neither Metronaps (i.e. high-tech recliner) nor Yotel (i.e. super-compact hotel room) seem to inspire this “ick” factor. Why? My hypothesis: Imagine a spectrum from “chair-like” (zero enclosure, zero privacy) to “room-like” (total enclosure, total privacy). On the “chair” end, it doesn’t really occur to us that some stranger might have sexed on it, even if it’s totally possible. On the “room” end, we know full well that strangers probably HAVE sexed there, but it doesn’t bother us because we consider a private room to be an acceptable, non-sketchy place to do such things. It’s only at some point in the middle that the perceived “wholesomeness” of the design plummets dramatically... we are squicked by the thought that some stranger may have sexed somewhere they are not SUPPOSED to. This effect was so predictable that I started calling it the “Unwholesome Valley” (like the “Uncanny Valley,” but with a different x-axis) For NapTime, I had some ideas for how to get safely to the left, “chair” end of the Unwholesome Valley while still providing a sense of security (highly important to most people we interviewed) and making access restriction a possibility (essential if you want to make any money.)

- People often think of airline travelers as the most lucrative market for a sleep pod business, because they’re always tired, they’re a captive market, and travelers are often willing to spend more money. However, there are a few major hurdles that make airports a difficult place to make money (most of these I learned from talking with a founder who had tried to do an airport version of their napping business, without success). Perhaps the most non-obvious is this: airports are empty most of the time. Most airports have four “spikes” per day when it is crowded; the rest of the time, it is almost totally deserted. Most of us perceive airports as being busy all the time; this is because we, as travelers, are only there during those spikes. Businesses who sell to airline travelers know otherwise. The “spiky” nature of airport occupancy is a particular problem for a napping pod business because 1) Most of the time, there are no customers around and 2) When you are suddenly surrounded by customers during a spike, you have limited ability to take advantage of it, because each pod only holds one person (unlike an airport coffee stand which is limited only by how quickly they can perform each transaction). However, I do believe success is possible if you account for the challenges while designing the business model and the pod itself.

- Despite the technical challenges, I believe that it is better to have a “vending” model where each pod is independent and self-service, rather than a “sleep salon” model where the pods are grouped together in a lounge with an attendant. The primary reason (again, according to founder interview) is that tired people are extremely reluctant to walk ANY distance to get their nap, so you need to locate the pod exactly where the demand is (demand is spread out within the building, and so too must your pods). I would also hypothesize that tired people would prefer not to interact with a human attendant and deal with the self-consciousness of sleeping in his/her presence.

Long post, I know, but this was practically my whole life for the better part of a year, so I have lots to babble about. My cofounders ended up ditching the project upon graduation despite seeming very gung-ho about founding up until that point. I put the project on ice, but I would love to pick it up again someday under the right circumstances and with the right people. Who knows... if you’re interested, contact me. I live near Mountain View.

Re: Sleepbox

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They claim: "Design and functional elements are additionally protected by patents, including European patent No 001742719, Russian Federation patent RU2010501345, and US patent (pending)." I did a few minutes searching at the WIPO website because this really does seem like old art, and I was wondering if they simply did design patents. I could not find public documents on either the EP or Russian patents.

Re: Sleepbox

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post #84

I prefer the MVP I've been using in airports for years: - hoodie - ipod with white noise - mindfold mask (mindfold.com) - inflatable neck pillow - backpack with strap wrapped around my arm - empty gate of any soon-to-be-bankrupt airline It's already paid for, it works great (the mindfold is the secret, believe me), it weighs less that a pound, and I can use it on the plane too.

Mindfold[1] was a very good suggestion. Great for people airbnbing as well. [1] http://mindfold.com/

what is so good about it

Re: Sleepbox

#149
post #107
post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

1. Take a photo (or photos) before. 2. Take a photo afterwards. 3. Use a reputation system.

This could probably go a long way. You're talking about the pod taking a before picture, and then an after picture then using some computer-vision library to decide on positive/negative points for that stay? That could work quite well. Even have a cap to put over the camera lens when you're staying in it (for those tinfoil hat people). I suppose positive points would mean you get a cheaper stay in another pod, and so…

I was going even simpler. When the person is finished with the pod, and the door closes and locks, the pod takes a photo. When the next person pays and the just before the door unlocks, it takes another photo.

No computer analysis, no nothing. If there is a complaint or a need to check the photos, someone can. Automation can come later.

Add a reputation system to catch repeat offenders (with proof) and you're done. Cheap and simple.

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