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Re: An upgraded dev experience in Google AI Studio

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Post by delfinom »

bdangubic wrote: post #53
suddenlybananas wrote: post #18

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>We are finally entering the code-on-cloud and run-on-cloud stage. Sounds like an absolute nightmare for freedom and autonomy.

SWE will be renamed to AIOps :)

SWE will be renamed to whatever the abbreviation is in an overseas language when AI can just be made to replace domestic experts with the cheapest college grads overseas. The problem doing so was always a lack of solid technical ability and experience for the cost cutting being done, but now? They just need to know basic english and block diagrams.

I have never seen an entire profession race to make itself entirely unemployable and celebrate it.

Too many people are hoping they'll be one of the lucky ones still employed and doing little work while talking to a LLM ;)

Re: An upgraded dev experience in Google AI Studio

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Post by mcpar-land »

never_inline wrote: post #82
DonHopkins wrote: post #54

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> Though Grok has been very generous as an alternate. I don't need it inserting console.logs and alert popups with holocaust denials and splash screens with fake videos of white genocide in my apps.

It's just a copy of all other models in terms of functionality. I didn't find anything controversial nor extra-ordinary in it. Image generation sucked. Some Indian twitterers found a way to get it to utter Hindi profane words, that's probably the most controversial thing I know about it.

Just a few days ago Grok started inserting paragraphs about the contested nature of white genocide in South Africa and the 'kill the boer' chant into almost every response it gave, with the vast majority of prompts having nothing to do with South Africa, white genocide, or boers.

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2025/may/14/elon-musk...

https://x.com/xai/status/1923183620606619649

Re: An upgraded dev experience in Google AI Studio

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Post by stickfigure »

vineyardmike wrote: post #94
stickfigure wrote: post #70

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Let me know when it handles 1.5M lines.

Let me know when you meet a person that can handle 1.5M lines, because most people I've worked with can't. Certainly I've never worked on something that required even reading that much... Especially when targeted search options exist to find just specific function/class implementations as needed.

I have a large team that works in a 1.5M line codebase. Not everyone is familiar with every line, but we regularly make changes that would blow through the usable context window of LLMs (which is, in fact, much smaller than advertised).

Is a messy 1.5M lines of tightly coupled code best practice? Of course not. But it evolved over about 20 years and processes tens of billions of dollars of financial transactions. In my experience, it is archetypical of real-world software for a large successful company.

I use LLMs where I can and they're incredibly useful. But their limits are severe compared to a good human software developer and the shortcomings mostly revolve around their tiny context. Human neuroplasticity is still champion.

Re: An upgraded dev experience in Google AI Studio

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Post by bdavisx »

cap1434 wrote: post #86
myko wrote: post #69

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They are very clearly different and grok is really indefensible (as is anything associated with Musk these days)

Starlink is indefensible?

I'm not going to waste my time looking up sources, but I remember that Starlink actively worked against Ukraine at one point - so yes, indefensible.

Re: An upgraded dev experience in Google AI Studio

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Post by yyhhsj0521 »

stickfigure wrote: post #113
vineyardmike wrote: post #94

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Let me know when you meet a person that can handle 1.5M lines, because most people I've worked with can't. Certainly I've never worked on something that required even reading that much... Especially when targeted search options exist to find just specific function/class implementations as needed.

I have a large team that works in a 1.5M line codebase. Not everyone is familiar with every line, but we regularly make changes that would blow through the usable context window of LLMs (which is, in fact, much smaller than advertised). Is a messy 1.5M lines of tightly coupled code best practice? Of course not. But it evolved over about 20 years and processes tens of billions of dollars of financial transactions. In…

Sure, they work in that huge codebase, but for any specific task, the number of lines your team keeps in their short/long term memory is surely much much smaller than that.

Re: An upgraded dev experience in Google AI Studio

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Post by anthonypasq »

stickfigure wrote: post #70
CuriouslyC wrote: post #49

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I regularly put 50k LoC codebases in gemini, it has a 1M context window and actually uses it well.

Let me know when it handles 1.5M lines.

he will probably get back to you in a year then

Re: An upgraded dev experience in Google AI Studio

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Post by mark_l_watson »

glitchc wrote: post #106
cjbgkagh wrote: post #79

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I think I’m missing your point. Perhaps we don’t share the same understanding of what I mean by AI and Expert Systems. I wouldn’t call expert systems AI even though the early use of AI referred to symbolic reasoners used in expert systems. If you are capturing domain knowledge from an expert and creating a system around it, what would you call that? I think modern AI will help deliver on the promise of expert systems…

Expert Systems (TM) was trademarked (abandoned now) way way back in 1982. It was a licensed term that meant something very specific to those with a long background in technology. You sound new to the space and thus want to reinvent the term for your own purposes, which is a fine thing really, but an understanding of the history behind it may save you a great deal of grief. tl;dr, expert systems as a concept was hot!…

I made a lot of money selling expert system tools between 1982 and 1986. Good times.

Re: An upgraded dev experience in Google AI Studio

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Post by [deleted] »

Anon1096 wrote: post #75
suddenlybananas wrote: post #18

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>We are finally entering the code-on-cloud and run-on-cloud stage. Sounds like an absolute nightmare for freedom and autonomy.

How so? It's already status quo at companies with massive monorepos like Google and Meta. Your IDE connects to a remote computer and you write and run code on it. No more fiddling around with arcane dev env setup processes it's honestly really refreshing and doesn't feel restrictive at all. On the contrary I can nuke my cloud dev environment and bring it up again in minutes without worrying about losing anything.

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Re: An upgraded dev experience in Google AI Studio

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Post by [deleted] »

Anon1096 wrote: post #75
suddenlybananas wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>We are finally entering the code-on-cloud and run-on-cloud stage. Sounds like an absolute nightmare for freedom and autonomy.

How so? It's already status quo at companies with massive monorepos like Google and Meta. Your IDE connects to a remote computer and you write and run code on it. No more fiddling around with arcane dev env setup processes it's honestly really refreshing and doesn't feel restrictive at all. On the contrary I can nuke my cloud dev environment and bring it up again in minutes without worrying about losing anything.

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