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Re: OpenAI to buy AI startup from Jony Ive

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Post by quitit »

basisword wrote: post #941
quitit wrote: post #830

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a bit of a risk for Ive, as until now he is credited with Apple's lauded design. If he does not produce an immediate success it'll be brand damaging and wobble on his reputation. I also suspect it might go that way: post-Ive designs have been credited as being better, particularly around apple's laptops that were perceived as too heavily favouring form over function. More realistically Apple's design is good…

>> he is credited with Apple's lauded design. If he does not produce an immediate success These are two very different things. You can design a wonderful product but if there isn't a need for it in the market or your business people fail to sell it it can be a failure. Judging design based on sales makes no sense.

You've defined success as a financial hit.

He's a designer, the success will be whether or not he invents a good design, an innovation to how AI is consumed.

There are plenty of well designed products in his history that weren't big sellers.

Re: OpenAI to buy AI startup from Jony Ive

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Post by PKop »

osigurdson wrote: post #929
KolibriFly wrote: post #864

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Altman clearly has vision and a sense for where the puck is going with AI, but being a design editor is something else entirely

For me, OpenAI's venture into AI adjacent things (Windsurf, JI's company), is a signal that they are no longer seriously pursuing AGI.

It was always marketing and never serious

Re: OpenAI to buy AI startup from Jony Ive

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Post by basisword »

quitit wrote: post #951
basisword wrote: post #941

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>> he is credited with Apple's lauded design. If he does not produce an immediate success These are two very different things. You can design a wonderful product but if there isn't a need for it in the market or your business people fail to sell it it can be a failure. Judging design based on sales makes no sense.

You've defined success as a financial hit. He's a designer, the success will be whether or not he invents a good design, an innovation to how AI is consumed. There are plenty of well designed products in his history that weren't big sellers.

I think you've replied to the wrong post. We're in agreement.

Re: OpenAI to buy AI startup from Jony Ive

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Post by [deleted] »

osigurdson wrote: post #928
asveikau wrote: post #843

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Why does Ive need to be churning out continuous hits? There is no shame in quitting while ahead, or considering your previous success to be a tough act to follow. I feel similar about Zuckerberg. That guy should just let the government break up his empire, let some other people run the pieces, and retire. Otherwise he just faces humiliation and being in over his head. But I guess ego keeps these people going.

I think having a founder stay on and lead, well after they are financially independent is very respectable. It says they are interested in more than just chilling on the beach.

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Re: OpenAI to buy AI startup from Jony Ive

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Post by jinay »

jorams wrote: post #425
jinay wrote: post #125

Likely no coincidence that they announce their company, io, during Google I/O. Search "io" on Google right now and see what comes up...

> Search "io" on Google right now and see what comes up... I don't know about you, but neither of them comes up. Google I/O has always been something you have to search for including the "Google" part and this news is all about Jony Ive, not the nondescript company name.

Went in an incognito window and searched "io" and this announcement was shown right above Google IO [1].

[1] https://i.imgur.com/xNKjFXa.png

Re: OpenAI to buy AI startup from Jony Ive

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Post by hbn »

quitit wrote: post #830
Bjorkbat wrote: post #669

A while back someone here on Hacker News made a pretty insightful comment that as great of a designer as Jony Ive is, a large part of his success is owed to the fact that he had an "editor" in the form of Steve Jobs. Once Jobs passed, he no longer really had an editor. It remains to be seen whether Sam Altman / OpenAI in general will be a good editor

This is a bit of a risk for Ive, as until now he is credited with Apple's lauded design. If he does not produce an immediate success it'll be brand damaging and wobble on his reputation. I also suspect it might go that way: post-Ive designs have been credited as being better, particularly around apple's laptops that were perceived as too heavily favouring form over function. More realistically Apple's design is good…

Jobs has been dead for almost 15 years, he's already had plenty of time to prove himself. By the time he left Apple he was known for his obsession with thinness at the cost of function (if not straight up ruining the product), such as that stupid keyboard design from the late 2010s that sucked to type on, had failure rates comparable to the Xbox 360's RRoD, and was somewhere in the ballpark of $700 to repair because the ridiculous thin construction didn't allow for individual keys to be replaced.

Re: OpenAI to buy AI startup from Jony Ive

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Post by andai »

dr_dshiv wrote: post #674

Just need a way to talk to ChatGPT anytime. Microphone, speaker and permanent connection to ChatGPT. That’s all you need: io One need is being able to talk to ChatGPT in a whisper or silent voice… so you can do it in public. I don’t think that comes from them, but it will be big when it does. Much easier than brain implants! In an ear device, you need enough data of listening to the muscles and the sounds together, t…

There was a guy at MIT who made a silent headset a few years ago. It didn't use brainwaves but rather measured electrical activity in the facial muscles. Apparently when you think in words, there's a slight activation of the same muscles you use to speak.

Re: OpenAI to buy AI startup from Jony Ive

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Post by jackdh »

leptons wrote: post #829
0xB31B1B wrote: post #741

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The company oAI is acquiring is owned by Sam Altman and Johnny Iive

That has to be some kind of corporate money laundering, or highly illegal. The board should fire Altman if this is true and get out of this purchase.

Yes that worked so well the last time ha.

Re: OpenAI to buy AI startup from Jony Ive

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Post by [deleted] »

eloisant wrote: post #869
asveikau wrote: post #843

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why does Ive need to be churning out continuous hits? There is no shame in quitting while ahead, or considering your previous success to be a tough act to follow. I feel similar about Zuckerberg. That guy should just let the government break up his empire, let some other people run the pieces, and retire. Otherwise he just faces humiliation and being in over his head. But I guess ego keeps these people going.

You don't get where Zuck is without a huge ego and power hunger. If is plan was to retire as a billionaire, he could have done so years ago.

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Re: OpenAI to buy AI startup from Jony Ive

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Post by quitit »

latexr wrote: post #853
quitit wrote: post #830

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a bit of a risk for Ive, as until now he is credited with Apple's lauded design. If he does not produce an immediate success it'll be brand damaging and wobble on his reputation. I also suspect it might go that way: post-Ive designs have been credited as being better, particularly around apple's laptops that were perceived as too heavily favouring form over function. More realistically Apple's design is good…

> This is a bit of a risk for Ive, (…) If he does not produce an immediate success it'll be brand damaging and wobble on his reputation. He’s a billionaire approaching 60. You don’t need to worry about him, his brand, or his reputation. If he cared about it that much, he could’ve stayed at Apple. He chose to move back closer to his family. He didn’t launch a new design firm because he needed it, but because he wanted…

Legacy is not counted in dollars.

> He’s a billionaire approaching 60. You don’t need to worry about him, his brand, or his reputation.

"Interesting" take, was that projection?

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