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Re: OpenAI to buy AI startup from Jony Ive

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Models are getting smaller, faster, cheaper to make, reflecting on their own output, adding modes and running in more places. But they’re not getting much smarter because they can only be as smart as us and each other, because that’s where their training comes from. OpenAI is strongest in a world where models cost billions to train. A world filled with cheap open source models is their worst nightmare. This is what’s…

That's always been the case and was obvious to many from the start. It really wont be that long until we see some ~GPT4 llm embedded locally in a chip on the next iPhone release...

Are you aware, what hardware is currently needed to run GPT4?

Something bigger than a smartphone usually.

So small mobile optimized LLMs will come, or are rather already there - but if they would manage to make the big GPT4 modell run on an iPhone, that would be a pretty big thing in itself, way larger than GPT5.

Re: OpenAI to buy AI startup from Jony Ive

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First Windsurf and now this. OpenAI is spending billions like there's nothing else to use this money for while being seemingly cash strapped for model training since they already signaled more investment rounds would be needed to remain competitive. They're trying to become too big to fail before they have a moat which won't work well.

Meh, all stock deal. They are not spending any raised cash on this.

Re: OpenAI to buy AI startup from Jony Ive

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Or he is just looking at the camera? An odd photo in any case.

Was just saying that glasses are most likely the product they're talking about.

His glasses are hand made by Maison Bonnet, Paris, France.

Re: OpenAI to buy AI startup from Jony Ive

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They've already claimed that there will be no "GPT-5" LLM, and that instead what they want to call "GPT-5" is a fusion of their various models like 4o, dalle, their video model, etc. That in and of itself is a move that makes it quite clear to me they've hit a wall on the intelligence side. Add these purchases, and it seems like they are extremely desperate.

Models are getting smaller, faster, cheaper to make, reflecting on their own output, adding modes and running in more places. But they’re not getting much smarter because they can only be as smart as us and each other, because that’s where their training comes from. OpenAI is strongest in a world where models cost billions to train. A world filled with cheap open source models is their worst nightmare. This is what’s…

> But they’re not getting much smarter because they can only be as smart as us and each other,

That doesn't look to be true in general. AlphaGoZero didn't learn off smarter humans or smarter AI's (at all - it only trained against itself), yet it became better at playing some games than any existing AI or human.

To me it looks like the same thing has happened for LLM's in the one area they are truly good at: natural language processing. Admittedly they only learned to mimic human language by begin fed lots of human language, but they look at least as good at parsing and writing as any human now, and much, much faster at it. And admittedly they have plateaued at natural language processing. But that's not because of any inherent limitation in the level of intelligence an AI can achieve. It's because unlike playing Go there is a natural limit on good how you can get at mimicking anything, which is "indistinguishable".

The other things LLM's seem to be good at a lossy compression of all the text they have been trained on. I was floored when I ran a 16GB locally, and it could tell me things about my childhood town (pop: under 1000, miles away from anywhere). It didn't know a lot, but there isn't a lot out there about it on the internet, and it still astounds me it could compress the major points of everything it read on the internet down to 16GB. The information it regurgitated was sometimes wrong of course, but then you only expect to get a overview of a scene from a highly compressed JPEG. The details will be blurry or downright misleading.

What they are attempting to tack onto that is connecting the facts the LLM knows into a chain of thought. LLM aren't very good at that, and the improvements over the past few years look to be marginal, yet that is what is being hyped with the current models.

None of that detracts from your main point, which I think boils down to the rapid advancements in proprietary models have stalled. Their open source competitors aren't far behind, and if they have really stalled open source will catch up.

But that's only true for the natural language processing side. The shear compute required to keep a model up to date with the latest information in the internet means the model with the most resources behind it will regurgitate the most accurate information about what's on the internet today. Open source will always lose that race.

Re: OpenAI to buy AI startup from Jony Ive

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> In the interview, Altman said Jobs would be “damn proud” of Ive’s latest move. What an extremely weird (and egotistical) thing to say if you're in Altman's position

… Unless he engineered the entire deal himself and wanted to make it seem like it was Ive’s greatest maneuver.

If Ive has the social intelligence of a child, I guess that's plausible.

Re: OpenAI to buy AI startup from Jony Ive

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Userbase and customer relationships are valuable. If someone else creates GPT5, but doesn't have a large user base, then OpenAI the company could buy that invention. Or, as we saw with deepseek in January, fast-follow with a comparable model within a reasonable amount of time. Brands have value. If someone has logged into ChatGPT for two years daily, they have built a habit. That habit certainly can be disrupted, but…

> Userbase and customer relationships are valuable Which of these does Jony Ive's company have?

The comment also includes brand value in the next paragraph and Jony has loads of that.

Re: OpenAI to buy AI startup from Jony Ive

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Yeah Google has it all vertically integrated from the science to the chips and everything in between. It’s theirs to lose.

They’re doing a great job losing it so far.

Losing what, exactly? I do notice they seem to lose the hype battle—and my perception is that OpenAI acquiring Jony Ive’s startup gets more traction than Google Nobels—but I think with their foundation they can play on a different time horizon, so I am not sure how much they should care about that.

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The manor criticism of them is that they are just phone apps pointlessly shoved into an extra piece of hardware. What about them do you think was directionally correct? I.e. why not just use your phone?

"phone" is over - I would just make better devices, there would be a communications device, you could call it a phone or whatever. (Frankly: I just genuinely believe I could do a really good job here is all, I have no real reason to believe that except pure ego, I'm fine admitting that)

My prediction is that "phone" is not over, every lackluster product since the dawn of the iphone has been heralded as an iphone killer.

Billions will be spent to realize that screens are useful.

Re: OpenAI to buy AI startup from Jony Ive

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Just need a way to talk to ChatGPT anytime. Microphone, speaker and permanent connection to ChatGPT. That’s all you need: io One need is being able to talk to ChatGPT in a whisper or silent voice… so you can do it in public. I don’t think that comes from them, but it will be big when it does. Much easier than brain implants! In an ear device, you need enough data of listening to the muscles and the sounds together, t…

> 5. … like a clip. Something that attaches to clothes.

I feel like the most natural thing would be basically push-to-talk-to-AI:

1. Some sort of mic + earpiece that you can wear comfortably(e.g. airpods)

2. A wireless button that you can put on a ring to activate the mic in the most ergonomic way possible

3. Any time you press the button, everything you say gets sent to a running AI chat

Re: OpenAI to buy AI startup from Jony Ive

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Just need a way to talk to ChatGPT anytime. Microphone, speaker and permanent connection to ChatGPT. That’s all you need: io One need is being able to talk to ChatGPT in a whisper or silent voice… so you can do it in public. I don’t think that comes from them, but it will be big when it does. Much easier than brain implants! In an ear device, you need enough data of listening to the muscles and the sounds together, t…

>That’s all you need.

No. They need all the data from your life.

They need to see what you see (camera somewhere), hear what you hear (hello microphones) and probably even more.

My bet is on some sort of tablet. Maybe kind of a book, or kindle, or something like that.

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