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Re: OpenAI to buy AI startup from Jony Ive

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Post by threeseed »

agentcoops wrote: post #780
Jackson__ wrote: post #713

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They've already claimed that there will be no "GPT-5" LLM, and that instead what they want to call "GPT-5" is a fusion of their various models like 4o, dalle, their video model, etc. That in and of itself is a move that makes it quite clear to me they've hit a wall on the intelligence side. Add these purchases, and it seems like they are extremely desperate.

I'm not so sure it's desperation. As an alternative hypothesis, we might simply view it as an attempt from a temporary position of strength to secure their tremendous lead as the primary consumer access point to intelligence. I don't think it's much of an exaggeration to suggest that this is one of the most important open questions at the moment -- one which will likely be relatively winner-takes-all (in contrast to…

> secure their tremendous lead as the primary consumer access point to intelligence

Yes because the only way to get access to intelligence is via ChatGPT which continues to lie and hallucinate on a regular basis.

Definitely can't get it via the web, books, videos etc.

Re: OpenAI to buy AI startup from Jony Ive

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mmaunder wrote: post #770
Jackson__ wrote: post #713

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They've already claimed that there will be no "GPT-5" LLM, and that instead what they want to call "GPT-5" is a fusion of their various models like 4o, dalle, their video model, etc. That in and of itself is a move that makes it quite clear to me they've hit a wall on the intelligence side. Add these purchases, and it seems like they are extremely desperate.

Models are getting smaller, faster, cheaper to make, reflecting on their own output, adding modes and running in more places. But they’re not getting much smarter because they can only be as smart as us and each other, because that’s where their training comes from. OpenAI is strongest in a world where models cost billions to train. A world filled with cheap open source models is their worst nightmare. This is what’s…

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Re: OpenAI to buy AI startup from Jony Ive

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Post by piskov »

herval wrote: post #712

Success begets success indeed. What did Ive's startup ship in its 6 years that's worth 6 billion dollars, other than it belonging to Ive?

There were a lot of stuff: leica, moncler jacket, turntable, some prints and typography, a lot of stuff for airbnb, you name it

Re: OpenAI to buy AI startup from Jony Ive

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Post by pcurve »

dr_dshiv wrote: post #674

Just need a way to talk to ChatGPT anytime. Microphone, speaker and permanent connection to ChatGPT. That’s all you need: io One need is being able to talk to ChatGPT in a whisper or silent voice… so you can do it in public. I don’t think that comes from them, but it will be big when it does. Much easier than brain implants! In an ear device, you need enough data of listening to the muscles and the sounds together, t…

thanks for the list. it's brilliant.

I can't but wonder though... are we slave to productivity?

What do we need this omnipresent help? I'm sure some people do. If you're CEO of a large company, if you are a doctor seeing hundreds of patients in a week, etc.

But me? An average middle age guy with 9-5 job doing white collar job at healthcare company?

I enjoy doing some things that are 'inefficient'. Is that a really a problem?

Re: OpenAI to buy AI startup from Jony Ive

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Post by piskov »

fiatpandas wrote: post #513

It's a screenless & buttonless phone. Slightly smaller form factor than regular iphone, with comparatively bigger battery and powerful processing for on-device models.

Imagine listening to all the comments you just read.

Or reading them in the UI with only one word at a time on screen.

That’s why 80% or what have you of information is percieved via eyes.

Re: OpenAI to buy AI startup from Jony Ive

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Post by DanAtC »

jes5199 wrote: post #747
TeeWEE wrote: post #537

Wow Sam Altman is so full of himself... I would never want to work for this narcist. Just watch this video. https://x.com/sama/status/1925242282523103408

this is designed to appeal directly to a certain kind of self-mythologizing Bay Area techie, the kind that was common in the early 2010s. It’s meant to signal continuity, “we’re just like you, we loved Steve Jobs” apparently it worked on some people: https://daringfireball.net/linked/2025/05/21/sam-and-jony-io

John Gruber would shoot Jony Ive's fecal matter into his veins if he could.

Re: OpenAI to buy AI startup from Jony Ive

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Post by butifnot0701 »

dudus wrote: post #268

First Windsurf and now this. OpenAI is spending billions like there's nothing else to use this money for while being seemingly cash strapped for model training since they already signaled more investment rounds would be needed to remain competitive. They're trying to become too big to fail before they have a moat which won't work well.

Wasnt this all stock deal tho?

Re: OpenAI to buy AI startup from Jony Ive

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Post by sixQuarks »

mrbungie wrote: post #505
sixQuarks wrote: post #352

This is such an obvious jump the shark moment for openAI. These types of puffery acquisitions, with a former “legend”, announced with such gusto, have never materialized into anything. You’re not gonna get breakthrough products like this. Breakthrough products just appear unexpectedly, they’re not announced a year or two ahead of time.

You know you are in front of the impending explosion of a bubble when discussions shift from products themselves and towards who will be working with whom.

I don’t think AI is a bubble at all, but openAI is.

Re: OpenAI to buy AI startup from Jony Ive

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Post by yakbarber »

mmaunder wrote: post #770
Jackson__ wrote: post #713

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They've already claimed that there will be no "GPT-5" LLM, and that instead what they want to call "GPT-5" is a fusion of their various models like 4o, dalle, their video model, etc. That in and of itself is a move that makes it quite clear to me they've hit a wall on the intelligence side. Add these purchases, and it seems like they are extremely desperate.

Models are getting smaller, faster, cheaper to make, reflecting on their own output, adding modes and running in more places. But they’re not getting much smarter because they can only be as smart as us and each other, because that’s where their training comes from. OpenAI is strongest in a world where models cost billions to train. A world filled with cheap open source models is their worst nightmare. This is what’s…

That's always been the case and was obvious to many from the start.

It really wont be that long until we see some ~GPT4 llm embedded locally in a chip on the next iPhone release...

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