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Re: Rocky Linux 10 Will Support RISC-V

#11

Post by dgfitz »

gerdesj wrote: post #10

I understand why people use RH and Rocky and even Oracle: the rpm wranglers. However its not for me. My earliest mainstream distro was RH when they did it just for fun (pre IBM) and then I slid slightly sideways towards Mandrake. I started off with Yggdrassil. I have to do jobs involving RH and co and its just a bit of a pain dealing with elderly stuff. Tomcat ... OK you can have one from 1863. There is a really good…

I’d rather use redhat than Ubuntu. I was handed a machine the other week with Ubuntu 23.10 on it, OS supplied from a vendor with extensive customization. Apt was dead. Fuck that. At least RH doesn’t kill their repos.

Re: Rocky Linux 10 Will Support RISC-V

#12

Post by agarren »

arminiusreturns wrote: post #6

I'm so looking forward to a RISC future!

Ditto! I haven’t found any hardware that’s daily-driver ready, but I keep looking.

https://store.deepcomputing.io/products/dc-roma-ai-pc-risc-v...

I especially like the idea of getting a framework version in this case I want to swap in a different mainboard. By their own admission, the risc-v board is targeting developers and not ready for prime time. Also coming from the US, not sure how the tariff thing will workout…

Re: Rocky Linux 10 Will Support RISC-V

#13

Post by gerdesj »

dgfitz wrote: post #11
gerdesj wrote: post #10

I understand why people use RH and Rocky and even Oracle: the rpm wranglers. However its not for me. My earliest mainstream distro was RH when they did it just for fun (pre IBM) and then I slid slightly sideways towards Mandrake. I started off with Yggdrassil. I have to do jobs involving RH and co and its just a bit of a pain dealing with elderly stuff. Tomcat ... OK you can have one from 1863. There is a really good…

I’d rather use redhat than Ubuntu. I was handed a machine the other week with Ubuntu 23.10 on it, OS supplied from a vendor with extensive customization. Apt was dead. Fuck that. At least RH doesn’t kill their repos.

I've got Ubuntu 22.04 lying around that still update because they are LTS. Ubuntu has a well publicised policy for releases and you will have obviously read them.

Try do-release-upgrade.

You also mention "OS supplied from a vendor with extensive customization. Apt was dead."

How on earth is that Ubuntu's problem?

Re: Rocky Linux 10 Will Support RISC-V

#14

Post by felbane »

rob_c wrote: post #9
mrbluecoat wrote: post #4

Better title: Rocky Linux 10 Will Support Two RISC-V Boards

Even better title: Rocky will take the RHEL work and rebrand and sell the boards at a discount from China and claim a win and that they're being attacked by IBM.

Man some of y'all really have beef with Rocky...

Re: Rocky Linux 10 Will Support RISC-V

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Post by copperx »

gerdesj wrote: post #10

I understand why people use RH and Rocky and even Oracle: the rpm wranglers. However its not for me. My earliest mainstream distro was RH when they did it just for fun (pre IBM) and then I slid slightly sideways towards Mandrake. I started off with Yggdrassil. I have to do jobs involving RH and co and its just a bit of a pain dealing with elderly stuff. Tomcat ... OK you can have one from 1863. There is a really good…

I have to confess that my early experiences with RedHat as a teenager and dealing with the nightmareish RPM dependencies soured me from the distribution. I went to Debian and then its many descendants and never looked back; APT seemed magical in comparison.

I assume they have a package manager that resolves dependencies well now? Is that what an RPM wrangler is?

Re: Rocky Linux 10 Will Support RISC-V

#16

Post by bigstrat2003 »

gerdesj wrote: post #10

I understand why people use RH and Rocky and even Oracle: the rpm wranglers. However its not for me. My earliest mainstream distro was RH when they did it just for fun (pre IBM) and then I slid slightly sideways towards Mandrake. I started off with Yggdrassil. I have to do jobs involving RH and co and its just a bit of a pain dealing with elderly stuff. Tomcat ... OK you can have one from 1863. There is a really good…

> Tomcat ... OK you can have one from 1863. There is a really good security back port effort but why on earth start off with a kernel that is using a walking stick.

Because old software is battle-tested and reliable. Moreover, upgrading software is ever a pain so it's best to minimize how often you have to do it. With a support policy of 10 years, you just can't beat RHEL (and derivatives) for stability.

Re: Rocky Linux 10 Will Support RISC-V

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Post by tanelpoder »

bigstrat2003 wrote: post #16
gerdesj wrote: post #10

I understand why people use RH and Rocky and even Oracle: the rpm wranglers. However its not for me. My earliest mainstream distro was RH when they did it just for fun (pre IBM) and then I slid slightly sideways towards Mandrake. I started off with Yggdrassil. I have to do jobs involving RH and co and its just a bit of a pain dealing with elderly stuff. Tomcat ... OK you can have one from 1863. There is a really good…

> Tomcat ... OK you can have one from 1863. There is a really good security back port effort but why on earth start off with a kernel that is using a walking stick. Because old software is battle-tested and reliable. Moreover, upgrading software is ever a pain so it's best to minimize how often you have to do it. With a support policy of 10 years, you just can't beat RHEL (and derivatives) for stability.

Yep, when you have thousands of different production apps, installed and running directly on Linux - not talking about containers or microservices here - you’ll have very little appetite to upgrade all of them to the latest and shiniest technologies every couple of years. Stability & compatibility with existing skillsets is more important.

Re: Rocky Linux 10 Will Support RISC-V

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Post by rubitxxx10 »

bigstrat2003 wrote: post #16
gerdesj wrote: post #10

I understand why people use RH and Rocky and even Oracle: the rpm wranglers. However its not for me. My earliest mainstream distro was RH when they did it just for fun (pre IBM) and then I slid slightly sideways towards Mandrake. I started off with Yggdrassil. I have to do jobs involving RH and co and its just a bit of a pain dealing with elderly stuff. Tomcat ... OK you can have one from 1863. There is a really good…

> Tomcat ... OK you can have one from 1863. There is a really good security back port effort but why on earth start off with a kernel that is using a walking stick. Because old software is battle-tested and reliable. Moreover, upgrading software is ever a pain so it's best to minimize how often you have to do it. With a support policy of 10 years, you just can't beat RHEL (and derivatives) for stability.

I’m old. I used one of the original boxed RH distros. It was cool then. That was almost 30 years ago.

I know they give back to Linux, and I’m thankful for the enterprises that pay for it because of that.

It’s not a bad company, though it’s strange that you could be a great developer and lose your position there if your project gets cut, unless another team picks you up, from what I hear.

But when Linus created Linux, he didn’t do it for money, and RH just seems corporate to me like the Microsoft of Linux, way back before Microsoft had their own Linux. I want my Linux free-range not cooped.

They don’t do anything wrong. They just don’t give the vibe. Anyone asking for money for it doesn’t “get it” to me.

Re: Rocky Linux 10 Will Support RISC-V

#19

Post by bigfatkitten »

copperx wrote: post #15
gerdesj wrote: post #10

I understand why people use RH and Rocky and even Oracle: the rpm wranglers. However its not for me. My earliest mainstream distro was RH when they did it just for fun (pre IBM) and then I slid slightly sideways towards Mandrake. I started off with Yggdrassil. I have to do jobs involving RH and co and its just a bit of a pain dealing with elderly stuff. Tomcat ... OK you can have one from 1863. There is a really good…

I have to confess that my early experiences with RedHat as a teenager and dealing with the nightmareish RPM dependencies soured me from the distribution. I went to Debian and then its many descendants and never looked back; APT seemed magical in comparison. I assume they have a package manager that resolves dependencies well now? Is that what an RPM wrangler is?

rpm dependencies has been a solved problem with yum (and now dnf) for about two decades.

Re: Rocky Linux 10 Will Support RISC-V

#20

Post by hshdhdhj4444 »

gerdesj wrote: post #13
dgfitz wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’d rather use redhat than Ubuntu. I was handed a machine the other week with Ubuntu 23.10 on it, OS supplied from a vendor with extensive customization. Apt was dead. Fuck that. At least RH doesn’t kill their repos.

I've got Ubuntu 22.04 lying around that still update because they are LTS. Ubuntu has a well publicised policy for releases and you will have obviously read them. Try do-release-upgrade. You also mention "OS supplied from a vendor with extensive customization. Apt was dead." How on earth is that Ubuntu's problem?

Isn’t Ubuntu basically killing apt?

My Ubuntu became unusable because it kept insisting on installing a snap version of Firefox breaking a whole bunch of workflows.

I do want to try a RH based OS (maybe Fedora) so they don’t keep changing things on me, but just where I am in life right now I don’t have the time/energy to do so, so for now I’m relying on my Mac.

Hopefully I can try a new Linux distro in a few months, because I can’t figure it out yet, but something about macOS simply doesn’t work for me from a getting work done perspective.

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