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Re: OpenAI to buy AI startup from Jony Ive

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Jony Ive is a nobody without Steve Jobs. After Jobs passed he never produced anything of any value, he almost destroyed Macbooks.

Apple Watch was and is a huge hit.

One could argue Apple Watch has just been coasting on iPhones’ coat tails. People with an iPhone want a watch with similar aesthetics and in the same ecosystem.

If a non-Apple company launched an identical watch at the same time it would have gone nowhere.

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Does anyone seriously think we're anywhere close to AGI with LLMs? I know CEOs like to say things to blow smoke up investors asses, but does anyone with actual credibility think that?

Fifteen years ago I worked with a guy who, in retrospect, was very similar to an LLM. He was extremely verbally gifted and a vacuum cleaner for information. He could speak brilliantly about any topic he had been exposed to. He was a great person to send to a meeting, because he was great at answering questions coherently with the information he had on hand, and he always managed to make your ideas sound smarter than…

If you’ve spent any time around little kids, you’ve certainly seen that making shit up is a natural inclination of the human brain.

Ideally, as one’s intellect matures, one learns to stop doing that, and build coherent reasoning, only speak up when you know what you’re talking about.

Well, ideally. Many people never get to that stage.

Re: OpenAI to buy AI startup from Jony Ive

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You can participate in more highly intelligent discussions, great for a dinner party or a date or an interview. Everywhere you go you can know it all, many use cases. The people who don’t do it, will be at a severe disadvantage.

I have a relative who likes to lookup Wikipedia articles that he finds interesting and then read them to rooms full of people. It's like, I can read Wikipedia myself. Somehow I don't think anyone is going to be impressed by someone regurgitating chatgpt.

I imagine an LLM that has more realtime capabilities and can respond (or tell you what to say) on the fly would be a more fascinating conversation partner (well, on the surface!) than what you're depicting: a person who'd stop a conversation to ask the phone, and then just read the LLM's response.

I've read that interviews with Stephen Hawking are excruciating because he'd take many minutes to "type" up his response. Of course people are still engaged because it's Hawking and the answer is from his brain, someone pausing to interact with an LLM would be a bore indeed.

Re: OpenAI to buy AI startup from Jony Ive

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Ive doesn’t seem to have come from an especially privileged background (beyond the obvious good fortune of being a white guy in good health born in a developed English-speaking country in the post-war era etc.) Middle-class certainly, but not markedly upper-middle-class or a posh boy. Though I suppose I’m in danger of sounding like pg talking about the Collisons as if they were poor boys made good.

Relative to the sweatshop workers he relied on to avoid sewing his own shirts.

For the same reason we don’t need 9,000 operating systems, it’s trivial to copy-paste, we don’t need Ive, Altman. The main audience is Millennials and younger and they know how this all works. There’s no generating hype when it’s more of the same; our brains normalize and simply cannot find novelty in it.

SaaS competition was faked through cheap financing since every solution can be tuned for performance and features copy pasted. It’s software after all. We weren’t trying to be the first to save a bunch of stranded people. Just unicorn before the hype bubble for your business popped.

This forum doesn’t want to believe this because their identity is wrapped up in it. But I talk to people outside software, and very few feel they get real value out of all this technology. That ultimately it’s just been a big distraction from their lives.

“I hate programmers. They make everything so complicated.” Silicon Valley TV show is how people see software engineers. Asocial children.

They don’t doubt there’s value in medicine research and real stuff logistics using software but have a sense it’s just serving software company employees more so than humanity at this point.

And politics reflects public sentiment. Software workers do not have the same tax write off benefits as other classes of workers anymore. Along with end of ZIRP, these moves are due to a lot of discussed away from the public, global pushback to tech bros running the world.

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Exactly. Also noting what happened with Ron Johnson (Apple Stores) after he left Apple (and was not surrounded by either Jobs or others that worked at Apple: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_Johnson_(businessman) I am wondering to what extent 'key man' insurance is needed. That's a big purchase to be riding on one man essentially (yes they are getting engineers and others but Jony seems to be the big ticket item for…

Johnson thought he was smarter than everyone else. His success at Apple reshaping the retail experience was a kind of a one-hit-wonder that he then thought would simply be a blueprint for any retail company. He never had any success post-Apple like you say, but it wasn't because there wasn't any "insurance man". For me, I see it as a guy who found something worked smashingly, so he just assumed it would work everywhe…

He had no idea about branding. You can’t just sell generic products that you can get at Amazon for maximum profit in retail. You actually need to have a differentiated brand.

For comparison, during that same time period, the retail successes were the designer collaborations, like Versace x H&M or Target x Rodarte, etc…

All Johnson had to do was bring in some designer collaborations…

Re: OpenAI to buy AI startup from Jony Ive

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Whatever it is, if it’s AR, they won’t have the resources to do it. If they go Humaine’s clip voice assistant/projection, it’s dead on arrival. If they can do AR, it will be at meta Rayban level. What I’m saying is there is a real physical tech constraint where I’ve noticed the top hardware makers are hitting.

There really isn’t too many ways to interface with AI

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Sam also ran a crypto scam called WorldCoin. Their secret sauce was tricking poor people in Africa.

How did they trick them by giving them free money?

They don't know how but they know it has to be a scam because it's crypto. That's all the thought that's gone into it.

Re: OpenAI to buy AI startup from Jony Ive

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Hiring a prolific designer, won't buy you the next iPhone. In fact, $6b would have been better spent on the supply chain, the manufacturing intelligence in Asia, and the dirty and difficult work of producing hardware. People forget, how much work is actually needed to produce some innovation like this at scale.
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