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Re: OpenAI to buy AI startup from Jony Ive

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Post by rzz3 »

alabastervlog wrote: post #141
whynotminot wrote: post #78

These product-focused moves feel like a tacit admission that AGI is further away than they’ve been preaching. If it was close at hand, spending precious resources on anything other than pursuing AGI wouldn’t make sense.

I remain unconvinced they're (the whole LLM/"Attention Is All You Need" industry) even barking up the right tree to build anything usefully-close to "AGI".

What do you think the correct, or at least a more likely tree is?

Re: OpenAI to buy AI startup from Jony Ive

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Post by jagger27 »

pier25 wrote: post #225
thinkingtoilet wrote: post #181

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does anyone seriously think we're anywhere close to AGI with LLMs? I know CEOs like to say things to blow smoke up investors asses, but does anyone with actual credibility think that?

Nobody fully understands how human intelligence works. It's implausible we'll be able to replicate it or even come up with something better in the short term.

“If the brain were so simple we could understand it, we’d be so simple we couldn’t.”

Re: OpenAI to buy AI startup from Jony Ive

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Post by theahura »

whynotminot wrote: post #78

These product-focused moves feel like a tacit admission that AGI is further away than they’ve been preaching. If it was close at hand, spending precious resources on anything other than pursuing AGI wouldn’t make sense.

I disagree for two reasons.

1) the two decisions do not seem related to each other. OpenAI has capital to spend and is seeking distribution methods to shore up continued access to future capital. That strategic decision seems totally unrelated to their estimated timelines for when AGI (whatever definition you are using) will show up. Especially because they are in a race against other players. It may be a soft signal that more capital is not going to speed up the AGI timeline right now, but even that is a soft signal.

2) I think we already have AGI for any reasonable definitions of the terms 'artificial' 'general' and 'intelligence'. To wit: I can ask Gemini 2.5 a question about basically anything, and it will respond more coherently and more accurately than the vast majority of the human population, about a vast array of subjects.

I do not understand what else AGI could mean.

(In case it matters, I am also an AI researcher, I know many AI researchers, and many-but-not-all agree with me)

Re: OpenAI to buy AI startup from Jony Ive

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Post by throwfaraway4 »

elAhmo wrote: post #176
lolinder wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The reason why Apple has failed to integrate AI successfully into the iPhone isn't because we need an AI-first device, it's because AI is still universally being strategized as a solution in search of a problem. An AI-first device at this stage will fail for the same reason: it doesn't have a mission statement to solve particular problems for real people, it has a mission statement to be an AI device. The absolute be…

> it's because AI is still universally being strategized as a solution in search of a problem What Apple showed seems quite useful. It is a shame they failed spectacularly at execution. Even the simplest things that should be answerable by an LLM and their data, which is what a lot of people want, should be a very low hanging fruit - so much utility without building a complete experience from scratch. Why cant I just…

How do you fail at something that was never released?

Re: OpenAI to buy AI startup from Jony Ive

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Post by mrweasel »

sethops1 wrote: post #213

$6,500,000,000 dollars for ... what, exactly?

55 engineers and the opportunity to be associated with Apple products via Jony Ive.

Honestly with OpenAI buying Windsurf, and now this (whatever this is) I'd say that the company is in trouble and is now desperately attempting to buy it's way into relevancy. Either OpenAI wants to become a developer tools company (which can't be that profitable), or a consumer goods company. Trying to become the next Apple is really the only way to ever make the money they spend back.

OpenAI is a failing company. They made the first move, that will be their claim to fame. Sadly it turned out that what they are doing isn't that hard to replicate, just hard to profit from.

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